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There has to be more to it than that.
There was this from a recent Apple Discussion Forum reply. The thread is here.
If your e-mail address was associated with the ID in any way, for example as a Reachable at or Rescue e-mail address, then it can't be reused with another Apple ID for approximately one year. I have also seen posts that stated Apple told them there was a 30 day waiting period before the address could be used again. You will need to get another e-mail address to use as your Apple ID.

Don't create a new ID, do a name change. That way you will retain access to your data and purchases.
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If you are getting a message that the ID you are trying to change to is not available, it means that the ID in question is either set up as a Rescue email address on your current or another Apple ID, or that the address in question has been used for an Apple ID within the last year.
 


I haven't gotten any prompts to change my password, but iOS 12 did nag me saying that I had to verify the password for my Apple ID. The prompt did not go away with a press of the home button (something I always check), so it appears to have been legit.
 


... Meanwhile, I have no idea what my Apple ID is vs. iCloud vs. Apple Store.
The nominal use for Apple ID at this point is that it is one ID for all of the Apple services. It isn't primarily an email inbox destination, it is an ID (used in authentication).

The attribute of being an email address is that it is unique. Every complete email address is unique worldwide and on every system. What Apple needs is a externally visible primary key. It is meant to be shared, so it isn't a private primary key, it is public and, furthermore, it is something that the user shouldn't have a hard time remembering.

The Apple ID is not necessarily an "email inbox", but it also isn't random text (it has to be globally unique, since it's also a key).

That has evolved over time. Previously, Apple's Internet services and iTunes purchases were more distinct (and people created more than one account to either try it out or thought they needed a brand new one).
Worse, I made the mistake years ago of setting up a new computer with a different email address - i.e. creating a separate Apple ID - then buying music from iTunes under that one. It's just way out of hand. Ridiculous.
The easy fix for an accidentally additional Apple ID is Family Sharing - the purchase sharing option. Family members share purchases with one another. If your family has 3-4 Apple IDs sprinkled about, then that is one way of consolidating them in terms of purchases.

P.S. A third party taking in someone else's phone for service should be somewhat problematical. That isn't an Apple ID problem. That's security. These aren't telephones from the 80's.
 


The nominal use for Apple ID at this point is that it is one ID for all of the Apple services. It isn't primarily an email inbox destination, it is an ID (used in authentication).
Indeed. The best way to look at an AppleID is that it looks like an email address, but may or may not be an email address. For example, I created my first Apple ID for iTunes, and it is an email address that I have not had access to for at least a dozen years. It looks like an email address but most definitely is not.

All of my family members used this same Apple ID to login to iTunes, so that we could download the same songs and apps across all of our devices. This was before family sharing. In addition to iTunes, we still use this Apple ID for access to our common address book.

My second Apple ID is xxx@mac.com. In addition to being an Apple ID, it is most definitely an email address, and it is my iCloud ID. Since it is an email address, it is only on my devices and not my family's devices.
 


Hi, Ric. Long, long time reader but I haven't posted here in ages.

I have a pair of 2011 Macs running High Sierra, and an iPad and iPhone running iOS 12, all signed into the same iCloud account. I just bought a 2012 Mac Mini yesterday and installed Mojave.

After signing into iCloud on Mojave, I've seen two interesting things happen with my iCloud logins. One, Apple is now using my login password from other devices to verify iCloud data sharing. Second, even already being logged in, I got the "Some services will not be available until you login again" message on all of my older devices.

One Mac would not accept the login. I had to logout of iCloud, restart, and log back in to iCloud. My iPhone made me do the re-login, and then I had to enter the login password from one Mac.

I guess having passwords memorized is more important than ever.
 


After signing into iCloud on Mojave, I've seen two interesting things happen with my iCloud logins. One, Apple is now using my login password from other devices to verify iCloud data sharing. Second, even already being logged in, I got the "Some services will not be available until you login again" message on all of my older devices.
This has been going on for a long time. "Some items cannot be accessed until you enter your password for device", where device seems to be a random choice from amongst all of my Apple doodads.
 


Last week, my wife, on a MacBook Air / El Cap, was suddenly getting nags from Apple that she was locked out of iCloud services and a password reset was required to enable login and restoration of services.

As noted in posts elsewhere on MacInTouch, I had unhappily gone through the reset hoops recently. I suggested she hit the "ignore" button for a bit. Two days later, the nags no longer appeared. I successfully logged her back into into iCloud, using the existing password, and, for some reason, had to separately log her back into Messages and FaceTime via their respective preferences (she does not have an iCloud/Apple mail account). No password reset was done, nor it has not been asked for again.

Must have been some momentary disturbance in The Force, or a downdraft in the iCloud.
 


I have a weird problem here regarding FaceTime and Messages. It started today out of the blue. I can't log into both of them. I even did a reinstall from the combo updater but that didn't work. From the iCloud pane in System Preferences, I'm logged into my iCloud account. How can I rectify the problem? Thank you.

System Info: Mac Pro 5,1 running macOS 10.13.6
 


I have a weird problem here regarding FaceTime and Messages. It started today out of the blue. I can't log into both of them. I even did a reinstall from the combo updater but that didn't work. From the iCloud pane in System Preferences, I'm logged into my iCloud account. How can I rectify the problem? Thank you.
System Info: Mac Pro 5,1 running macOS 10.13.6
I finally found a solution to my problem. It was easy to do. All I had to do was to shut down my Mac. Then, right after starting the Mac, I did a PRAM reset (Option-Command-P-R keys), and after the second chime, released the keys, and I was able to log back into both FaceTime and Messages. Both are back to normal.
 


I rarely use an iPad but have had one laying around that could be good to have around. Trying to reset it, but my Apple ID and password have both been changed since I last used this iPad 37 weeks ago. Is there any hope? Everything I read says no. I never go on the Apple support forum, because all I ever get is nasty comments from lurkers about every question I have asked for at least 10 years. Is it possible?
 


I rarely use an iPad but have had one laying around that could be good to have around. Trying to reset it, but my Apple ID and password have both been changed since I last used this iPad 37 weeks ago. Is there any hope? Everything I read says no. I never go on the Apple support forum, because all I ever get is nasty comments from lurkers about every question I have asked for at least 10 years. Is it possible?
You might be able to get Apple Support to help you over the phone, though it would likely cost money since it's probably not covered by AppleCare.

The forums seem to be completely full of level 10 wizards who dump on everybody who asks a question. I search them for previously solved problems but I never ask questions there.
 


I rarely use an iPad but have had one laying around that could be good to have around. Trying to reset it, but my Apple ID and password have both been changed since I last used this iPad 37 weeks ago. Is there any hope? Everything I read says no. I never go on the Apple support forum, because all I ever get is nasty comments from lurkers about every question I have asked for at least 10 years. Is it possible?
All that would be needed to be done is sign out of iCloud on the iPad (just because you changed your Apple ID and password, it doesn't close the old account) and then reset it and log into your current changed Apple ID.
 


I rarely use an iPad but have had one laying around that could be good to have around. Trying to reset it, but my Apple ID and password have both been changed since I last used this iPad 37 weeks ago. Is there any hope? Everything I read says no. I never go on the Apple support forum, because all I ever get is nasty comments from lurkers about every question I have asked for at least 10 years. Is it possible?
If you use iCloud and the Find iPhone feature, you can log into the iCloud web site from any web browser, select iCloud Settings (below your name) and then scroll down to My Devices, and remove that iPad as a device.

Then you're free to put the iPad into Recovery mode, restore it with iTunes, and set it up again. Recovery mode is entered by turning it off, then holding down Home and Sleep buttons until you see the "Connect to iTunes" image. If you then connect it to iTunes, it will tell you that you have an iPad in recovery mode, and you're on your way.
 


You might be able to get Apple Support to help you over the phone, though it would likely cost money since it's probably not covered by AppleCare. The forums seem to be completely full of level 10 wizards who dump on everybody who asks a question. I search them for previously solved problems but I never ask questions there.
"full of level 10 wizards who dump on everybody" has also been my experience on Apple Forums. I never go there.
All that would be needed to be done is sign out of iCloud on the iPad (just because you changed your Apple ID and password, it doesn't close the old account) and then reset it and log into your current changed Apple ID.
I have tried that. It seems that the fact that I changed both the Apple ID and the password is blocking that idea. I can still use it for basic things, I just can't upgrade apps.

99% of my usage before was to double-check web page layouts for fit on iPads. That can be done under the Safari/Develop/Enter Responsive Design Mode. Interestingly, in that mode, Safari is the least accurate browser in terms of how it accurately reproduces the real world of web pages. Using the Empty Caches command is supposed to alleviate that problem, but it may or may not be effective. The best way is to just upload the HTML files into a test account and check as many browsers as possible, doing Safari last, in order to give time to get over its bad mood. It gets there eventually.

Ah well!

Thanks all!
 


Two-factor authentication is driving me a little bit nuts. I've always had trouble, but recently I bought a MacBook Air for my daughter, so I was logging into Apple quite often for the shopping, purchase and follow up. Each and every time I logged in, I was required to input newly generated 2FA codes. I always said to trust the browser, which was always Safari and always running on the same iMac. This could happen several times a day. "Block all cookies" is not checked in Safari preferences.

What am I doing wrong here? How can I get Apple to remember me? (I am a shareholder, after all….)
 


Two-factor authentication is driving me a little bit nuts. I've always had trouble, but recently I bought a MacBook Air for my daughter, so I was logging into Apple quite often for the shopping, purchase and follow up. Each and every time I logged in, I was required to input newly generated 2FA codes. I always said to trust the browser, which was always Safari and always running on the same iMac. This could happen several times a day. "Block all cookies" is not checked in Safari preferences. What am I doing wrong here? How can I get Apple to remember me? (I am a shareholder, after all….)
You're not doing anything wrong here. I suffer through the Apple-inspired 2FA insanity on a daily basis. I guess setting a browser to "trusted" doesn't really mean a lot.
 


Two-factor authentication is driving me a little bit nuts. I've always had trouble, but recently I bought a MacBook Air for my daughter, so I was logging into Apple quite often for the shopping, purchase and follow up. Each and every time I logged in, I was required to input newly generated 2FA codes. I always said to trust the browser, which was always Safari and always running on the same iMac. This could happen several times a day. "Block all cookies" is not checked in Safari preferences. What am I doing wrong here? How can I get Apple to remember me? (I am a shareholder, after all….)
... I have spent a few months having to 'verify' my login to YouTube with an iPhone photo of a QR code (though I was amused to learn that, if I waited a few seconds, a 'Skip' button appeared - splendidly secure, Google!). Eventually, I learned how to make uBlock Origin do all I wanted and deleted the Disconnect extension. As soon as Disconnect was gone, I started being able to log in without the extra step. I really should have thought of it as a likely cause, but there we are.
 


You're not doing anything wrong here. I suffer through the Apple-inspired 2FA insanity on a daily basis. I guess setting a browser to "trusted" doesn't really mean a lot.
I'm using Firefox 63 with a plugin called "Authenticator", which has worked fine for the month or so I've been using it. I was forced into using 2FA from a shopping cart hosting company. It was a major pain to set up, and I had to call support three times to get it working, but it seems fine now.

I am not a fan of forced upgrades and security measures, no matter how dumb they perceive me to be and how smart the corporation in question is. After 20 years with web businesses and 30+ years on computers, I do prefer to make my own decisions about how to run my business and how to think. But, I think we are long past anyone caring anymore, except for maybe the crowd here. </rant>

Anyway, that's the combo that ended up working for me, whether that works with Apple stuff, you'd just have to try. I will add that I had to upgrade Firefox to the newest version to get it to work, even though the "Authenticator" plug-in said my older version would work with it.
 


Two-factor authentication is driving me a little bit nuts. I've always had trouble, but recently I bought a MacBook Air for my daughter, so I was logging into Apple quite often for the shopping, purchase and follow up. Each and every time I logged in, I was required to input newly generated 2FA codes. I always said to trust the browser, which was always Safari and always running on the same iMac. This could happen several times a day. "Block all cookies" is not checked in Safari preferences.
Try deleting all your cookies in Safari, or at least all cookies related to apple.com and all its subdomains. Corrupt cookies can often cause the kind of failure to remember a setting that you're seeing.
 


You're not doing anything wrong here. I suffer through the Apple-inspired 2FA insanity on a daily basis. I guess setting a browser to "trusted" doesn't really mean a lot.
I have the same problem with Charles Schwab. No matter now many time I have clicked the "trust" button Safari never is "trusted"!?.
 


I have the same problem with Charles Schwab. No matter now many time I have clicked the "trust" button Safari never is "trusted"!?.
Some big banks choose not to trust certain software for reasons of their own - perhaps laziness on the part of their IT staff. Bank of America keeps telling me that Firefox for the Mac is not supported, and keeps telling me that my account information is incomplete because I do not give them my mobile number (because it's an old "dumb" phone that I rarely use which I leave off most of the time).
 


I have a friend who's having a problem logging into Messages from his refurbished Mac Mini. He keeps getting the error that states: "Could not sign into iMessage. An error occurred during activation. Try again"

He is using the Apple ID he created from his iPad. The Mac Mini (Late 2012) is running Mojave 10.14.2.

I've searched around for answers but couldn't find one that would work. Is there a way to clear the activation error? Thank you.
 


Two-factor authentication is driving me a little bit nuts. I've always had trouble….
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What am I doing wrong here? How can I get Apple to remember me? (I am a shareholder, after all….)
Well, this is weird. I went in to Safari preferences and turned off:
  • Prevent cross-site tracking, and
  • Ask websites not to track me
And now, neither Apple nor Blue Cross send me a six digit code every time I log on.
 


I have a friend who's having a problem logging into Messages from his refurbished Mac Mini. He keeps getting the error that states: "Could not sign into iMessage. An error occurred during activation. Try again"
He is using the Apple ID he created from his iPad. The Mac Mini (Late 2012) is running Mojave 10.14.2....
An update:

After not finding any solutions on the Internet, I had my friend call Apple Support. Yeah, they are aware of these types of problems. It's something that has to be taken care of by Apple. Even though he was using his Apple ID on his iPad, the Apple server locked him out when trying to activate FaceTime/Messages on his Mac Mini. The Apple phone tech resolved the issue. My friend is happy now.
 


I have the same problem with Charles Schwab. No matter now many time I have clicked the "trust" button Safari never is "trusted"!?.
Something has changed in the OS, Safari or Schwab, as now when I click the "Trust" button, Schwab does, and 2FA is not implemented.
 


My daughter set me up a number of months ago on her Family Sharing plan for iTunes Music. I recently ran into a problem where I couldn’t download apps (even free ones) from the App Store, nor rent movies on Apple TV. Both said I needed to update my credit card info. When I tried to do that, all I could get to was her credit card info for everything iCloud, iTunes, and App Store related. But I didn’t have her CVV info and didn't find any way to access my own credit card into for the stores etc.

The only way I was able to “fix” things was leave the “Family”. Once I left the family, all my credit card info returned to where it was supposed to be for everything.

Has anyone else experienced any similar things? Seems like a security issue that it would place her credit card info into everything iCloud and App Store and iTunes Store related I have.
 


My daughter set me up a number of months ago on her Family Sharing plan for iTunes Music. I recently ran into a problem where I couldn’t download apps (even free ones) from the App Store, nor rent movies on Apple TV. Both said I needed to update my credit card info. When I tried to do that, all I could get to was her credit card info for everything iCloud, iTunes, and App Store related. But I didn’t have her CVV info and didn't find any way to access my own credit card into for the stores etc....
As I understand it, that's the nature of the family sharing feature in the App Store. One person (presumably a parent) registers his/her card for the entire family. Everybody else (presumably children) has access via that card, subject to whatever parental controls are set up by the family owner.

Of course, the system falls apart if the different people have their own separate cards, as is the case when you have multiple independent adults sharing the family account. I think Apple would say that this isn't what they intended and that you should have separate accounts.
 


I can't get iCloud two-factor authentication to work on my AppleTV (4th generation, not 4K). It's enabled for my other device, but my AppleTV just takes my Apple ID password and is as happy as a clam. I wouldn't mind, but apparently this functionality is required to make it a HomeKit hub, thus my question. Any ideas? Thanks.
 


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