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New recall for some older MacBook Pros
Apple said:
Important notice for batteries in certain MacBook Pro units
Apple today announced a voluntary recall of a limited number of older generation 15-inch MacBook Pro units which contain a battery that may overheat and pose a safety risk. The units were sold primarily between September 2015 and February 2017 and can be identified by their product serial number. ... Because customer safety is a top priority, Apple is asking customers to stop using affected 15-inch MacBook Pro units. Customers should visit apple.com/support/15-inch-macbook-pro-battery-recall for details on product eligibility and how to have a battery replaced, free of charge.
 



My lovely bride's new-to-her MacBook Pro mid-2015 has a serial number that falls within the range. The confirming website says the MacBook Pro may be eligible for a free battery replacement and no matter where you take the MacBook, it is going to be shipped to a repair facility for evaluation. You won't find out if the battery will be replaced nor receive the MacBook back for "one to two weeks".

Even though this MacBook Pro is only used for personal use, having had a used-daily computer for over 15 years, that's still a really long time to go without one.
 


Even though this MacBook Pro is only used for personal use, having had a used-daily computer for over 15 years, that's still a really long time to go without one.
Mine is eligible (by s/n), but it's my work computer. I can't stop work for two weeks!
 


Ric Ford

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I make a point of always having a spare working computer available in case of emergencies. I just replaced my 2010 Mac Mini with a 2018 version, but left the old one set up on a side table. I also have a MacBook Air, which I needed to check for information while I was migrating my work from the 2010 to the 2018. I am not keeping the 2010 Mini updated, but I have a CCC clone on the 2018 Mini from which I could retrieve information as needed. That way I could deal with a recall, sending a machine out for repairs, or a lengthy recovery and rebuilding of a crashed disk. I don't think that would work for everybody, but it works for me.
 


Ric Ford

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I make a point of always having a spare working computer available in case of emergencies....
That's great if they both run the same OS X/macOS1.. If not... moving your complete "working environment" back and forth between them is... well, if anyone has a good way to cleanly and completely swap back and forth between a newer macOS and an older one while preserving all work and changes you've made on the incompatible system, I'd sure love to know about it.2.


1.MacBook Pros and Airs from 2012 to mid-2017 can run all of Apple's currently supported macOSes from 10.12 Sierra to 10.14 Mojave, along with most other models in that time range, but not the iMac Pro and the 2012 Mac Pro only via a special video card upgrade.
2.Yes, I do know about Migration Assistant. It's a one-way street. App and file format differences can be a huge issue.
 


For what it's worth, I find it faintly remarkable that I own two 2018-vintage Apple products, one with a keyboard that may potentially fail at any moment (the MacBook Air), and the second which apparently has issues outputting an HDMI signal (the Mac Mini). This is basic, fundamental stuff; I suppose over the years I've been spoilt by ownership of computers with functional keyboards and reliable video outputs.

Perhaps Apple needs to spend less time designing credit cards and commissioning television shows to focus on these little details.
 


That's great if they both run the same OS X/macOS....
Ric makes a good point. I view my old machines as standbys, usable in a pinch but not systems I would run indefinitely if the new one died and I had money to replace it. If you need serious computing power to run sophisticated applications, you would feel hobbled. If you need features available only in the latest version of some apps, you would be stuck. So this is not a fix for everybody.

That said, you could get along with an older machine for many personal things like reading email, checking (many) web sites, and doing basic office tasks like reading and writing documents. I make my living writing, and the only problem I have encountered in using Office 2011 is that I can't migrate it to my new machine, because Microsoft has shut down its authorization system. TenFourFox can make the web accessible with older OS versions, although it's inevitably slow.

On the flip side, some of us also are using older apps, because new ones can't match their capabilities. I doubt I'm the only person still using Quicken 2007.
 


Ric Ford

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That said, you could get along with an older machine for many personal things like reading email, checking (many) web sites, and doing basic office tasks like reading and writing documents. I make my living writing, and the only problem I have encountered in using Office 2011 is that I can't migrate it to my new machine, because Microsoft has shut down its authorization system.
When you're trying to use an older machine to replace a newer one (temporarily, perhaps), you may have problems if the newer machine is running newer apps with different file formats (and/or preferences/settings), and the older Mac/macOS won't run the newer app you were using nor open its newer files.

If you're using a newer machine to temporarily substitute for an older one, the newer OS may require newer apps, which may change file formats to something you can no longer use when you get the older machine back after you have made changes to the newer files.

(And, of course, these imcompatibility issues apply to Apple's own apps, such as the abandoned/changing Aperture, iPhoto, iTunes, FileMaker, iWorks, etc., as well as lots of third-party software. And this will all suddenly get much worse with macOS 10.15 and all new Macs that require it, with its abandonment of all 32-bit software and media,)
 



… the only problem I have encountered in using Office 2011 is that I can't migrate it to my new machine, because Microsoft has shut down its authorization system. …
Did you try copying
/Library/Preferences/com.microsoft.office.licensing.plist
from your old machine or a backup to the new machine? This worked for me after a ground-up OS install to a new disk (but on the same Mac, so your mileage may vary). See also the thread starting at
 


I understand and agree, and I was incredibly relieved that my own 2015 MacBook Pro wasn't flagged as defective, but note that Apple says you should already stop using it....
Looks like I will have no choice, as my battery menu bar indicator says the battery is not charging even when plugged in. It was working fine literally up to the day after Apple posted the recall! I detected a bit of swelling in the case, too, so it spent the night in my detached garage, which I'd rather have burn down than my house. Looking forward to a fun day with I.T. on Monday, since it's a 'managed' device.

Sad, because this has been one of the best MacBook Pros I've ever had.
 


I used to advise users that if they depended on income from their Mac (design, photography, etc.) that it would be "wise" to have an inexpensive Mac Mini or MacBook Pro that can be used in a pinch (clone over, if possible), if service was needed. Most said it was a waste of money (oh, the hindsight!).

I even had a spare Power Mac G5 where I could have their apps installed and let them use (ahem, lease) for a short time while their own computer was at the Apple Store or on order (replacement). I even considered VMWare Fusion on another Mac....

Still, when I found a user was working on an external drive with no clone/backup, and that drive failed (notorious LaCie firmware/bridgeboard, combined with a Seagate drive), they lost it all. Always have some backup. Even if its a month old, you only lost a month. (I just ordered a 16TB hard drive. I just can't fathom losing that....)
 


Here's an odd situation. I spent all day yesterday swapping out a bad hard drive and replacing it. We restored via Time Machine. That took a few hours. It restarted and looked okay. We started again, the bar went across under the apple, then nothing. The hard drive is running and working. After 6 hours, I left to go home.

We looked into this issue, and there is a conversion to APFS that is said to last from 8 to 24 hours. But to be honest, I have no idea what it is doing under the hood. If it is still in the same condition this morning, he will restart it and hopefully figure out what is going on here. Any ideas?
 


FWIW: My new-to-me MacBook Pro 2015 had a serial number that fell into the range of those possibly affected with a recalled battery. I registered and requested a shipping box be sent to me on Friday; it arrived Monday morning. The laptop was shipped off that day and was returned Saturday morning.
 


Is anybody else seeing this issue in Preview on Mojave: text that has been highlighted cannot be copied (hence, cannot be pasted). So if I highlight, say, a reference in an article, I have to unhighlight it to be able copy and paste the text into a browser for a search. Is this expected behavior or another sign of a languishing macOS? The Apple feedback page does not even list Preview in the macOS apps, so I guess that is a pretty clear indication of the answer.
 


Ric Ford

MacInTouch
Is anybody else seeing this issue in Preview on Mojave: text that has been highlighted cannot be copied...
I'm not seeing that. In Mojave, I just did this:
  1. Open PDF in Preview (HP marketing document)
  2. Select text; it’s highlighted
  3. Copy
  4. Paste it into TextEdit
  5. Paste it into Firefox
  6. Paste is into Safari
Didn't see a problem.
 


Is anybody else seeing this issue in Preview on Mojave: text that has been highlighted cannot be copied (hence, cannot be pasted). So if I highlight, say, a reference in an article, I have to unhighlight it to be able copy and paste the text into a browser for a search. Is this expected behavior or another sign of a languishing macOS? The Apple feedback page does not even list Preview in the macOS apps, so I guess that is a pretty clear indication of the answer.
Yes, I see the same. When I look at the pasteboard via LaunchBar, it just says "Preview Clipboard Object", which can't be pasted.
 



Is anybody else seeing this issue in Preview on Mojave: text that has been highlighted cannot be copied (hence, cannot be pasted).
I see the same with text that is highlighted in Preview using Tools > Annotate > Highlight Text (Control-Command-H).

I see the issue only if I try to select and copy part of the highlighted text. I can select and copy all of the highlighted text just fine.

The same occurs with text that is annotated using underlining or strike-through.
 


I see the same with text that is highlighted in Preview using Tools > Annotate > Highlight Text (Control-Command-H).

I see the issue only if I try to select and copy part of the highlighted text. I can select and copy all of the highlighted text just fine.

The same occurs with text that is annotated using underlining or strike-through.
Actually, it’s a lot more complicated than that. If you select the entire highlighted block of text, it will copy to the clipboard. If you select a full word (double click), or words (double click and extend to select additional full words), you can copy the selection. Selecting full word(s) by simply dragging from one end of the word(s) to the other will not copy—perhaps Preview can’t see them as full words in this case.

There are more iterations, e.g., when the highlighting begins and/or ends with partial or full words. Try copying full words that start and end outside the highlighted area. In this case, I was able to do a copy with a single drag (vs. double-click and extend).

Try it yourself. This is how it works for me in Preview version 10.1, in Mojave 10.14.6 Beta (18G59b).
 


If you select a full word (double click), or words (double click and extend to select additional full words), you can copy the selection.
For the win! This beats removing the highlight, selecting for copy, and then adding back the highlight with the Highlight tool (after all, I highlighted it for a reason). Still, I find myself resorting to Acrobat Pro more and more.
 


I see the same with text that is highlighted in Preview using Tools > Annotate > Highlight Text (Control-Command-H).
I see the issue only if I try to select and copy part of the highlighted text. I can select and copy all of the highlighted text just fine.
The same occurs with text that is annotated using underlining or strike-through.
I may not be following this thread correctly, but it sounds like folks may be confusing using Tools > Annotate > Highlight Text with Edit/Select.

Tools > Annotate > Highlight Text highlights like a magic marker / highlighter.
 


Ric Ford

MacInTouch
I may not be following this thread correctly, but it sounds like folks may be confusing using Tools > Annotate > Highlight Text with Edit/Select.
"Confused" is right. Since the very beginning of the Macintosh, prior to 1984 (with the Lisa), one selected text, thereby highlighting it, so you could see what you had selected, and then performed operations on that selected and highlighted text. This is fundamental, at the very most essential and basic level.

I had no idea that Apple had recently redefined "highlight" as an additional, overlapping, alternate operation with the same name yet totally different functionality that, in fact, doen't even ****** work correctly.
 


For the win! This beats removing the highlight, selecting for copy, and then adding back the highlight with the Highlight tool (after all, I highlighted it for a reason). Still, I find myself resorting to Acrobat Pro more and more.
It might be interesting to note that this peculiarity is not present in the Catalina beta. However, other, more serious issues (which are to be expected here, especially in the early phase of the beta test) reveal themselves.

One could highlight selected text in Preview, but you cannot un-highlight the text. Fool around with it some more, and the highlighted area(s) grow even more until all the text on the page ends up highlighted. (Not to be confused with the present discussion about the difference between "highlighting" and selecting text.)
 


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