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I tried to install the iOS 13.3 update manually, and it failed silently a few times, so I restarted the iPad and got it through the "preparing update" phase. Then I left it plugged in overnight again, and still no update. But when I woke it up this morning, it told me that it would install now. Since I wanted to use it, I tapped on "later", at which point it asked for my passcode and said it would install tonight between 2:00 and 4:00. What's automatic about this update?
 



I'm a little confused by this... Had you turned off the option to automatically update?
No, I just tapped on the "Download and install" button, which downloaded it more than once and failed in the preparation phase. After the restart it downloaded and prepared and the button changed to "Install now", and I did not tap on that. I'll report in the morning if it actually does install successfully.
 



I have a question for those of you who have upgraded to 13.3 on an iPhone SE; what is your verdict now on that version after living with it for a few weeks? Learning to live with it? Hate it? I’m particularly interested in whether or not the battery life issues reported for the early versions of 13.x are still present.
Thanks in advance!
 


I have a question for those of you who have upgraded to 13.3 on an iPhone SE; what is your verdict now on that version after living with it for a few weeks? Learning to live with it? Hate it? I’m particularly interested in whether or not the battery life issues reported for the early versions of 13.x are still present.
Thanks in advance!
My iPhone 7 Plus with iOS 13.3 still drains battery much faster than with iOS 12. I haven't changed the apps I use with one exception (Apollo to read Reddit). Yesterday after a restart (and not using Apollo) I listened to music via Bluetooth for 6 hours, it was down to 40%. In the same scenario iOS 12 would go down to 60%.

I found a way to not drain battery: don't use the iPhone! One day I just carried it around without using it. That night it was only down to 80%, the same level it was down to after a typical day of use in iOS 12.
 


Ric Ford

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I have a question for those of you who have upgraded to 13.3 on an iPhone SE; what is your verdict now on that version after living with it for a few weeks? Learning to live with it? Hate it? I’m particularly interested in whether or not the battery life issues reported for the early versions of 13.x are still present.
As I mentioned in the batteries and charging thread, I found my battery life improved in iOS 13.3 after updating a bunch of apps that had pending updates. Although it seemed quite odd, it was also consistent with Settings > Battery reports that showed App Store drain even though App Store wasn't (apparently) running. This happened with both an iPhone SE and an iPhone X.

On the other hand, iOS 13 quality still seems wretched to me. One app or another will freeze every so often, and even quitting apps doesn't help. The last time, it was Apple's own Safari app. Quitting and relaunching the app didn't help, so I had to again resort to restarting the whole phone, a troubleshooting step I hadn't had to perform for years prior to iOS 13. (My guess is that Apple screwed up memory/app management in iOS 13, but I don't have any hard data to back that up.)

#applequality
 


On the other hand, iOS 13 quality still seems wretched to me. One app or another will freeze every so often, and even quitting apps doesn't help. The last time, it was Apple's own Safari app. Quitting and relaunching the app didn't help, so I had to again resort to restarting the whole phone, a troubleshooting step I hadn't had to perform for years prior to iOS 13. (My guess is that Apple screwed up memory/app management in iOS 13, but I don't have any hard data to back that up.)
My iPad 6 has had this problem since iPadOS 13 first came out. The frequency has varied a bit with various subreleases, but with iPadOS 13.3 I'm still restarting at least a couple of times a day. I have filed a bug report, but no idea if that actually does any good.
 


I have a question for those of you who have upgraded to 13.3 on an iPhone SE; what is your verdict now on that version after living with it for a few weeks? Learning to live with it? Hate it? I’m particularly interested in whether or not the battery life issues reported for the early versions of 13.x are still present.
Thanks in advance!
My wife has an iPhone (6s, I believe). She had battery issues for the past month or so. At one point, frustrated by Apple’s nagging, she updated from iOS 12.4 to 13.3. The battery problem did not improve. Then she turned Bluetooth off, and her battery performance has returned to what she was used to. I don’t know if this can help with anyone else’s problems, but I thought to offer it.
 


Does the refurbished iPhone 7 you just bought work correctly for GPS where the other one doesn't? Have you tried a complete erase and reinstall on the older iPhone 7?
Anecdote: My iPhone 8 was showing 15 MPH faster than I was traveling while using Waze or a Speedometer app. After the last iOS update, both issues were resolved.

#applequality
 


My iPhone 7 Plus with iOS 13.3 still drains battery much faster than with iOS 12.
My iPhone 7 (vanilla) with iOS 13.3 shows a battery drop of about 10-15% per day, similar to iOS 12.4, and lasts about a week without charging (with moderate/low use).

It was much worse 3 months ago, with iOS 12.4, when Apple turned my Location Services back on. I try to keep that off, as well as WiFi and Bluetooth.

There were several days, one month ago, when the battery drained rapidly. Then, a notification from Photos showed up, telling me it had created new albums of photos from a vacation in South America last year. Afterwards, the battery drained much slower. I assumed that Apple quietly modified something in Photos, but I have no evidence of that. I kept iOS 12.4 until two weeks ago. No serious problems yet....
 


Migrating to a new (likely refurbished) iPhone SE forced an upgrade to iOS 13.3. Now I no longer see a sync of open Safari tabs between the iPhone and my desktop (Mojave) or my iPad (iOS 12). Handoff appears to still be working for Messages.

The internet is not helpful in terms of answers. Is this just a case of cascading forced updates to play in the Apple garden or is there some easy fix? I do like this feature.

Another iOS 13 issue I see is freezing of the Mail app trigged by the "undo typing" message (which is somehow the result of an inadvertent touch). Sometimes the Mail screen behind the "undo" message is black. A force quit (swipe up) fixes the problem.
 


Migrating to a new (likely refurbished) iPhone SE forced an upgrade to iOS 13.3. Now I no longer see a sync of open Safari tabs between the iPhone and my desktop (Mojave) or my iPad (iOS 12).
I had the same problem. Apple added encryption in iOS 13 and Safari 13, so Safari Tabs no longer work across generations.
Apple said:
Set up and use iCloud Tabs
iCloud Tabs works between devices running iOS 13 or iPadOS and macOS Mojave 10.14.4 or later, or between devices running iOS 12 or earlier and macOS Mojave 10.14.3 or earlier.
As usual, their solution to fix this is to upgrade all of your devices, or buy new ones if they cannot be upgraded.
 


Another iOS 13 issue I see is freezing of the Mail app trigged by the "undo typing" message (which is somehow the result of an inadvertent touch). Sometimes the Mail screen behind the "undo" message is black. A force quit (swipe up) fixes the problem.
Just a follow-up here, because the behavior is so bizarre. The alert messages have been, I think, asking about "undo read" and the underlying screen is either completely dark or very, very dim. However, if I tap on "cancel" multiple times, the underlying screen becomes brighter and brighter until the "cancel" option is finally recognized and the Mail app becomes responsive once again. Maybe this is an easter egg?
 


Ric Ford

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Apple apparently has a big unresolved bug that's draining users' data in iPhones using even the latest iOS 13 release:
Forbes said:
Apple Just Gave Millions Of Users A Reason To Quit Their iPhones
Earlier this week, I was tipped off by a reader about a serious iOS 13 cellular bug which is consuming mobile data without explanation and increasing bills. Remarkably, while this was the first I had heard of it, affected users (at least those aware of the issue) have been suffering for months and even switching off mobile data has not stopped it. The only solution for some has been to shut down their iPhones completely.

Complaints about this can be found in multiple forums, including Reddit and Apple’s Support Communities (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 etc) impacting every iPhone model and every version of iOS 13, including the latest iOS 13.3.1 release. The problem always takes the same form: users navigate to Settings > Cellular > Cellular Data (either by chance or because of a big bill) and find a mysterious entry called ‘Uninstalled Apps’ which is steadily consuming data.

For some, the total only uses kilobytes but for others, it can hit gigabytes a day and affected users are being told Apple has been aware of the problem for some time.
#applequality
 


Apple apparently has a big unresolved bug that's draining users' data in iPhones using even the latest iOS 13 release:
I wonder if the people seeing Gbytes per billing period picked up many apps over the years, stopped using them, but never bothered to delete them. For what it's worth, on my iPhone XS, out of the last ~ 13.3 Gbyte shown under Cellular, only just under 100 Mbyte is "Uninstalled Apps," or less than 1%. I'd further note that the figures in the Settings view for me, using Verizon, represent lifetime usage, not the last month. (I've used a massive 0.04 Gbyte in the current billing cycle.)

If other people and the figures reported by their carriers are similar (that is, "Current" usage is identical to lifetime), it may not yet be time to panic.
 


Apple apparently has a big unresolved bug that's draining users' data in iPhones using even the latest iOS 13 release:
Thanks for calling our attention to this.
The "Uninstalled apps" item on my iPhone does not have a user-controllable switch, like all the other apps. Mine says "2.0GB" but there's no indication whether it's "turned on" or "turned off." Can't determine if it's "consuming" or just listed there.
 


Currently, my 'Uninstalled apps' lists 15.6 MB. The Dropbox app has used 1.1 GB.

Deleting ('uninstalling') Dropbox from my phone leaves my 'Uninstalled apps' total at... 1.1 GB. (15.6 MB is a rounding error relative to that new number.)

I would expect better from Forbes [see below]. Will check it in a couple of days to see if a Dropbox ghost continues to download data.

The 'Current Period' number is user-resettable. I believe the phone doesn't know when your carrier starts your data billing period. I gave up resetting this counter a few years back (actually had a calendar reminder set to nudge me).
 


...I would expect better from Forbes...
With apologies to Forbes: I am seeing 'Uninstalled apps' using data.

After uninstalling Dropbox and checking the Cellular data usage (reported yesterday), I reset cellular data.

Yesterday through this morning there was no 'Uninstalled apps' listing. In hindsight, there was no cell usage, as I was on my wifi network. A short walk and Uninstalled apps reappeared with 28KB of data. Poking around my settings, I hit on Game Center (an app?) and found it turned on.[1] Turning it off resulted in an additional 20KB to be added to Uninstalled apps.

No more data was added to Uninstalled apps until I returned home (4 block walk); Uninstalled apps increased by 100KB. Turned off Location Services and a quick walk to the Post Office resulted in no data increase in Uninstalled apps.

I'm a very light app user. After four iPhones, I've pared down my apps to two screens. The novelty of installing apps wore off a long time ago. Sorry devs. This is relevant because the only apps I've deleted recently were an exercise route mapping app (after the 'guilty until proven innocent' use by police in the bicycle drive by a crime scene incident); and, Dropbox. Additionally, if I recall correctly, several Apple apps, an ability which was touted as a feature of iOS 13; later reporting indicated that the apps were not deleted but only 'hidden' from the user (i.e., they were still on the phone).

I'll leave location services off for the time being and see what effect that may have.

[1] Game Center is malware as far as I'm concerned. The scary thing about this is not that it was turned on, which seems to be standard operating procedure for Apple at every update, but that the user name was not mine, though the Apple ID was.
 


24 hours with Location Services turned off and ... Uninstalled apps is back with 128KB data usage. Seems to be a daily check-in, as it's not continuous on my phone. I turn my phone off at night (always have); when powered on, Uninstalled apps grabs data for a couple of hours and then stops for the day.

Apple really needs to clarify Uninstalled apps. A simple listing when clicking on that entry would be a good start. Going to App Store lists all my purchases (going back to 2008) and whether they're on this device; not really useful, but indicates they have this information. It's a matter of applying it to this device only (not the iPhone 3g, 4s, 5s and iPads I've owned).

Data usage, in my case, isn't extreme, and I wouldn't have noticed it at all if the issue hadn't been posted here. Have to wait on Apple, I guess.
 


24 hours with Location Services turned off and ... Uninstalled apps is back with 128KB data usage. Seems to be a daily check-in, as it's not continuous on my phone. I turn my phone off at night (always have); when powered on, Uninstalled apps grabs data for a couple of hours and then stops for the day.
Apple really needs to clarify Uninstalled apps. A simple listing when clicking on that entry would be a good start. Going to App Store lists all my purchases (going back to 2008) and whether they're on this device; not really useful, but indicates they have this information. It's a matter of applying it to this device only (not the iPhone 3g, 4s, 5s and iPads I've owned).
Data usage, in my case, isn't extreme, and I wouldn't have noticed it at all if the issue hadn't been posted here. Have to wait on Apple, I guess.
Actually, just thinking about it. Apple's bundled apps with iOS can be "deleted" but, in fact, they are not actually removed from the device. They are simply "hidden". Perhaps it might be these that are classed as "uninstalled".

Thus, as Apple apps, they are still communicating with Apple and, depending on which ones you've "uninstalled", some of them could transfer a lot of data. But I agree, Apple needs to clarify this.
 


Actually, just thinking about it. Apple's bundled apps with iOS can be "deleted" but, in fact, they are not actually removed from the device. They are simply "hidden". Perhaps it might be these that are classed as "uninstalled".
Thus, as Apple apps, they are still communicating with Apple and, depending on which ones you've "uninstalled", some of them could transfer a lot of data. But I agree, Apple needs to clarify this.
I saw that iTunes used background activity even if I have not used it in weeks. I 'uninstalled" it. Will see if it still uses background activity.
 


Actually, just thinking about it. Apple's bundled apps with iOS can be "deleted" but, in fact, they are not actually removed from the device.
Are you sure? I've removed a few such apps from my phone, and when I later went to reinstall them, it required a download from the App Store.

Maybe it leaves behind a stub in order to retain/sync data, but it's definitely doing more than just hiding the icon.
 


Are you sure? I've removed a few such apps from my phone, and when I later went to reinstall them, it required a download from the App Store. Maybe it leaves behind a stub in order to retain/sync data, but it's definitely doing more than just hiding the icon.
Based on the Apple support page
(and a little experimenting) it appears that certain of the iOS apps can be deleted just like other apps (starting in iOS 12). I had thought it might just offload the app so as to not take up storage. But it says that all related data will also be deleted, unlike the offload process which maintains that data. And, with the offload process, the icon remains on the device and double clicking the icon results in the app reloading.
 


Based on the Apple support page
(and a little experimenting) it appears that certain of the iOS apps can be deleted just like other apps (starting in iOS 12). I had thought it might just offload the app so as to not take up storage. But it says that all related data will also be deleted, unlike the offload process which maintains that data. And, with the offload process, the icon remains on the device and double clicking the icon results in the app reloading.
If you read further down in the Apple link you posted, you can see that both you and Graham were right (at some point). According to footnote #1, iOS 10 hid them (as I remembered). Graham and I appear to have missed when they finally actually started deleting the apps.
 


I spent a long session with Apple support trying to get the outgoing and incoming Mail sounds to play on my iPhone 8. I am on IOS 13.4.5. Support got me to reinstall clean, but that did not fix the sounds issue. Support did say engineering are aware of a problem, but this week's beta has not fixed it.

#applequality
 


Ric Ford

MacInTouch
I spent a long session with Apple support trying to get the outgoing and incoming Mail sounds to play on my iPhone 8. I am on IOS 13.4.5. Support got me to reinstall clean, but that did not fix the sounds issue. Support did say engineering are aware of a problem, but this week's beta has not fixed it.
I've been experiencing this problem, too, on a different iPhone running Apple's current iOS release.
 


I've been experiencing this problem, too, on a different iPhone running Apple's current iOS release.
On both macOS and iOS, I have had sounds so late that I've already read and deleted the related email, or no sound, or sound but no mail, for so many OS revs. Too random to make a good bug report. I just quit paying attention.
 


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