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A very serious bug in iOS 13: If you have a POP3 mail account, there is no Sent or Trash folder, even after you send mail and trash mail. A horrible bug.
If you click on 'Edit' in the main Mail screen you can turn on "All Trash" and "All Sent" folders. Not great, but better than nothing.
 



Another change in Mail:
Previously, after opening a message, there was an icon to touch, where you could could move the message into one of your folders. Mail would learn which folder was the most likely. (I suppose it used the "from" address, I never double-checked.)

This disappeared in IOS 13. Just now, I had the inspiration that maybe I had to long-press on the message (actually the preview, not when you are inside the message).

When you do that long-press, you are presented with the choices: Reply, Reply All, Forward, Mark, Notify Me, Mute, Move Message, and Trash.
 



Miscellaneous annoyances in iOS 13's user interface changes:

In Shortcuts, attempting to reorder my shortcuts is proving daunting. There's zero hint on-screen about how to reorder them. Using "Edit" causes them to "wiggle" (suggesting the reordering behavior of the main-screen icons) but doesn't allow moving them, only deleting them. Swiping doesn't work (either direction). Hard-pressing only opens the shortcut into "edit contents" mode (as distinct from mere "edit" mode!). Seems like you have to create shortcuts in the order you want them to appear on screen, because they're stuck that way forever. Related: What's with the enormous Shortcuts icons? Screen wasters. Could fit twice as many on the phone's screen if they were narrower.​
App Store - Aside from the very annoying disappearance from the main screen's indicator of apps-offering-updates to be hidden beneath the tiny, unexplained user's photo/icon (which others have already mentioned on this thread), there's the ridiculous move of the "Updates" module off-screen below the new "Purchased" tab, below the new "Redeem Gift Card or Code" tab, below the new "Send Gift Card by Email" tab, below the "Add Funds to Apple ID" tab, and below the new "Personalized Recommendations" settings tab. Those are all functions less often used/needed than "Update Apps." No way to reorder or customize that App Store screen, either. Sheesh!​
Animoji/Memoji - Not that I've ever used one, but I tried to explore. Good luck figuring out where/how to create/edit them. The Messages app seems to be the only place to do it, and even there, it's obscure. Once you find the animoji editing module, you're stuck with a pretty limited array of face/head options (assuming you don't want to use a shark or a ghost or one of the other cartoon pre-creations). And once you click "Done," there's no apparent way to re-enter the edit mode to make corrections or tweaks. Honestly, I can see some value in these, but the interface has a ways to go, for me, anyway.​
#userinterface #appleui
 


... Once (finally) wirelessly completed, I and many others have found all messages from all accounts in the Mail app showing "No Sender, No Subject", though all message content seems to be present....
Follow-up:
Ran the iOS 13.1 updater on the iPhone XR. Mail app continues to show headers of all mail messages in both iCloud and Gmail accounts prior to Sept 20 (date of 13.0 update), as having "No Sender" and "No Subject."
 




I found an interesting "feature" in iOS 13.1 on my iPhone Xs. The widgets background color is taken from the home screen wallpaper. If you choose light mode and have wallpaper with lots of black or another dark color, your widgets will be black text on a dark grey background. For me, they were unreadable. A conversation with an Apple advisor led me to change my wallpaper to a sky-with-clouds image, and he reported the issue.
 



Another change in Mail:
Previously, after opening a message, there was an icon to touch, where you could could move the message into one of your folders. Mail would learn which folder was the most likely. (I suppose it used the "from" address, I never double-checked.)
This disappeared in IOS 13. Just now, I had the inspiration that maybe I had to long-press on the message (actually the preview, not when you are inside the message).
When you do that long-press, you are presented with the choices: Reply, Reply All, Forward, Mark, Notify Me, Mute, Move Message, and Trash.
I found this to be a big step backwards. I routinely move messages to subfolders. On my iPhone X, not only do I need to long-press on the message, but also scroll down to see the Move Message option.
 


Ric Ford

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Apple silently switched on Game Center for iCloud behind my back with iOS 13.1 installation - it was previously turned off. Two third-party apps were similarly synced to iCloud without notification or permission.
Similarly, Siri Suggestions were silently enabled for everything. I guess we all have to manually go though every single thing to see what Apple changed without permission or notification.
 


Re. the "Flag" button disappearing in iOS 13 Mail:
This disappeared in iOS 13. Just now, I had the inspiration that maybe I had to long-press on the message (actually the preview, not when you are inside the message).

When you do that long-press, you are presented with the choices: Reply, Reply All, Forward, Mark, Notify Me, Mute, Move Message, and Trash.
It took me a little while to realize that these functions also had been consolidated under the curved arrow button that formerly was used for Reply/Forward/Print. Since I rarely send mail from my iOS devices, it took me a lot longer than one might have hoped to discover where these functions disappeared to. Who looks for "Flag" or "Mark Unread" under an arrow button that has meant "Reply/Forward" for almost as long as there have been GUI email programs?

In the end, it's not any more difficult to use the "arrow" button to accomplish these tasks than the old "Flag" button, but it's just another example of Apple no longer giving a damn about its own interface conventions or its users.
 


On my machine it works and it doesn't. It works in the sense that it looks like it's working. It doesn't in the sense that it keeps putting up a dialog saying that I need to update some software in order to work with this phone. But it doesn't say what software it is thinking of updating. iTunes? The whole darned system? What? And I'm not buying a pig in a poke to find out.
I'm trying to find more information about iTunes 12.6.5.3, which supports apps, and iOS 13.1 — there are conflicting reports. Has anyone else had an experience to share?

The last post on this thread with iOS 13.0 sounds like it works:
Today there were more apps updates and both new iOS 13 and old 12.4.1 worked fine using iTunes 12.6.5.3 on iPhones 6s and iPad sync: didn't need to do it manually like I had to do the first day. If you want to backup your devices you need to choose Back Up Now.
And the last post on this thread with iOS 13.1 sounds like it doesn't work:
iOS 13 and iTunes 12.6 are not compatible. People are either reporting they cannot update via iTunes (says firmware is not compatible) or they update OTA to iOS 13 and then they have trouble connecting to or using iTunes 12.6. I'm having the same issue.
 


Apple seems to have taken something that works well - clicking on the Updates icon in Apps, replaced it with "Arcade", which I have zero interest in, and buried the app updates behind 3 clicks. Just opened this, and it shows recent updates with no option to see if there are new updates. Steve Jobs is hitting high RPM's in his grave with the Apple of late 2019.
I agree with you. Updates are hidden now. What you can do to check on new updates: Once you are in your account, swipe down the screen. It will show a little icon rotating, and it refreshes the available updates (similar to how one could refresh in iOS 12).
 


Ric Ford

MacInTouch
I checked Mail in iOS 13.1 and found All Sent and All Trash folders, but selection is buggy. Select All highlights a discontiguous subset of emails, changes with scrolling, and deletes a different set than what’s highlighted. Ugh.
 


Apple seems to have taken something that works well - clicking on the Updates icon in Apps, replaced it with "Arcade", which I have zero interest in, and buried the app updates behind 3 clicks. Just opened this, and it shows recent updates with no option to see if there are new updates. Steve Jobs is hitting high RPM's in his grave with the Apple of late 2019.
While I don't like the change, it is reachable with one tap - load App Store – in the top right is a circle icon (in my case my AppleID picture), which brings up the Account page, which has updates below "Personalized Recommendations" near the bottom of the screen - pull down to force a refresh. If there are updates waiting to be applied, it says "Upcoming Automatic Updates" in grey text, and has an "Update All" in blue text below that.
 


Apple appears to have removed iTunes Match from iOS 13, or they have done a great job of hiding it. Maybe they want you to sign up from Apple Music, which I will never do!
Not sure what you mean by 'removed'/'hiding'. I seem to see all my music in iCloud within Music on my iPhone X. And I can apparently download any such tracks which are not already on the phone. (I have an iTunes Match subscription but not Apple Music - no interest in that.)
 



Ric Ford

MacInTouch
Wow, Safari in iOS 13.1 is making a mess of this website. That may be a showstopper right there.

Update: false alarm! The problem was enabling the Firefox Focus content blocker. Don't do that here, I guess... it blocked icons and JavaScript used by the rich text editor, so that it no longer functioned.
 


Some apps are not working anymore. For me, for example, LastPass. The solution is uninstall and reinstall. I found a few other ones, which means I have to check every single one and go through this process...
 


Uninstalling apps: seems there is now an additional step needed. First if you hold down the icon of an app, two options appear "Share app" and "Rearrange app". If you now hold the icon down again, the apps icons will begin to wiggle and show the "X"for deletion.
 


Apple silently switched on Game Center for iCloud behind my back with iOS 13.1 installation - it was previously turned off. Two third-party apps were similarly synced to iCloud without notification or permission.
Same here, Ric. I had it turned off and, after updating to iOS 13.1, it was turned back on.
 



Yup - looks like it! The way this support article is now worded, it would appear iTunes Match is only supported on macOS, but on any other device, you must have an Apple Music subscription. Otherwise, you need to manually sync the music from the Mac to the device (which, of course, in some ways totally negates the purpose of having iTunes Match in the first place).
I can confirm that iTunes Match is working for me, without Apple Music. iOS 13.1, iPhone 6s
 


On my machine it works and it doesn't. It works in the sense that it looks like it's working. It doesn't in the sense that it keeps putting up a dialog saying that I need to update some software in order to work with this phone. But it doesn't say what software it is thinking of updating. iTunes? The whole darned system? What? And I'm not buying a pig in a poke to find out.
Apple's website states that the iPhone 11 System requirements are:
• macOS El Capitan 10.11.6 through macOS Mojave 10.14.6 using iTunes 12.8 or later
I am not sure if this is for the phone itself or iOS 13. I have a 2007 Mac Pro running El Capitan 10.11.6 and iTunes 12.8.2, which supposedly fit the listed requirements.

I was considering buying the iPhone 11, but when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.

My system fits the stated system requirements for iPhone11 / iOS 13, so I am perplexed as to why my iPhone 8 with iOS 13 won't sync. Updating to iOS 13.1 did not fix this either. If I buy the iPhone 11 am I going to have the same trouble? Are the listed system requirements wrong?
 


Apple's website states that the iPhone 11 System requirements are:
I am not sure if this is for the phone itself or iOS 13. I have a 2007 Mac Pro running El Capitan 10.11.6 and iTunes 12.8.2, which supposedly fit the listed requirements.
I was considering buying the iPhone 11, but when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.
My system fits the stated system requirements for iPhone11 / iOS 13, so I am perplexed as to why my iPhone 8 with iOS 13 won't sync. Updating to iOS 13.1 did not fix this either. If I buy the iPhone 11 am I going to have the same trouble? Are the listed system requirements wrong?
I'll take a guess:
Officially your 2007 Mac Pro maxes out at OS X 10.7.5.
I'm guessing you hacked it to OS X 10.11.6.
Maybe that's why?
 




Miscellaneous annoyances in iOS 13's user interface changes:

In Shortcuts, attempting to reorder my shortcuts is proving daunting. There's zero hint on-screen about how to reorder them. Using "Edit" causes them to "wiggle" (suggesting the reordering behavior of the main-screen icons) but doesn't allow moving them, only deleting them. Swiping doesn't work (either direction). Hard-pressing only opens the shortcut into "edit contents" mode (as distinct from mere "edit" mode!). Seems like you have to create shortcuts in the order you want them to appear on screen, because they're stuck that way forever. Related: What's with the enormous Shortcuts icons? Screen wasters. Could fit twice as many on the phone's screen if they were narrower.​
App Store - Aside from the very annoying disappearance from the main screen's indicator of apps-offering-updates to be hidden beneath the tiny, unexplained user's photo/icon (which others have already mentioned on this thread), there's the ridiculous move of the "Updates" module off-screen below the new "Purchased" tab, below the new "Redeem Gift Card or Code" tab, below the new "Send Gift Card by Email" tab, below the "Add Funds to Apple ID" tab, and below the new "Personalized Recommendations" settings tab. Those are all functions less often used/needed than "Update Apps." No way to reorder or customize that App Store screen, either. Sheesh!​
Animoji/Memoji - Not that I've ever used one, but I tried to explore. Good luck figuring out where/how to create/edit them. The Messages app seems to be the only place to do it, and even there, it's obscure. Once you find the animoji editing module, you're stuck with a pretty limited array of face/head options (assuming you don't want to use a shark or a ghost or one of the other cartoon pre-creations). And once you click "Done," there's no apparent way to re-enter the edit mode to make corrections or tweaks. Honestly, I can see some value in these, but the interface has a ways to go, for me, anyway.​
#userinterface #appleui
Another "feature" is that when you go into the user icon, my account shows "Credit: $0.00"! There is over $50 in my Apple ID balance. Clicking on my name from this screen does show my balance and not $0.00. Does anybody even test the software anymore or just assume we will fix it with patches a week later? Perhaps this is some new balance that we have to fund beyond using iTunes cards!
 


when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.
Do you have a screenshot of that dialog box? It's supposed to be offering to download the software for you.

Also, check your Updates in the App Store. Do you have an "iTunes Device Support Update" available for install? If so, that may be what you need.

Also, you can check in System Information > Software > Installations. Do you have "iTunes Device Support Update" listed there? It probably won't list a version number, but what date was it installed?
 


it keeps putting up a dialog saying that I need to update some software in order to work with this phone. But it doesn't say what software it is thinking of updating. iTunes? The whole darned system? What? And I'm not buying a pig in a poke to find out.
when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.
The unusual "software update required" dialogs are the same type as those discussed last year in the iOS 12 thread and described in a rather superficial Apple support article.

The update installs the "MobileDeviceOnDemand" package, which contains updated kernel extensions and frameworks to enable older systems to work with the latest versions of iOS. It also install a "CoreTypes" package containing updated icons for iOS devices.

If anyone wants a detailed listing of the latest package contents, drop me a note at josehill at gmx.com.
 


I'll take a guess:
Officially your 2007 Mac Pro maxes out at OS X 10.7.5.
I'm guessing you hacked it to OS X 10.11.6.
Maybe that's why?
Ok, I'm busted :)
Yes, it is running a hacked version of El Capitan, complete with macosxbootloader, only so I could sync with previous iOS versions, which is also what I did to get it to run Yosemite before that. It always worked up until now.

It seems if it is successfully running the supported software, it should work. However, if JoseHill is correct and it is wanting to download updated kernel extensions and frameworks, I fear it will overwrite what I've done, and my machine won't boot up anymore. I guess I could always restore from a Carbon Copy Cloner backup if things go sideways.
 



When using Notes in iOS 13, will new or updated Notes sync with other iOS devices and my Retina MacBook Pro with macOS 12.14.6, as it has been doing with iOS 12?

(I recall reading only once that macOS 10.15 was required to keep syncing working but have not read anything else about this nor can I find the reference that I read.)
 




Yup - looks like it! The way this support article is now worded, it would appear iTunes Match is only supported on macOS, but on any other device, you must have an Apple Music subscription. Otherwise, you need to manually sync the music from the Mac to the device (which, of course, in some ways totally negates the purpose of having iTunes Match in the first place).
I still see all my songs and playlists, with the cloud icons for things still in the cloud. Nothing looks different for me so far. What aren’t you seeing?

And the article says:
If you only want to sync your existing music library across all of your devices, and not any music from the Apple Music catalog, you can subscribe to iTunes Match on your computer. iTunes Match lets you access your music library on any Apple device or a PC with iTunes for Windows.
 


I'm trying to find more information about iTunes 12.6.5.3, which supports apps, and iOS 13.1 — there are conflicting reports. Has anyone else had an experience to share?
The last post on this thread with iOS 13.0 sounds like it works:
And the last post on this thread with iOS 13.1 sounds like it doesn't work:
My mid-2015 MacBook Pro (11,5) is running High Sierra (10.13.6) with iTunes 12.8.2.3. I had no luck upgrading my iPhone 7 or iPad (6th) with iTunes yesterday, so upgraded both to iOS 13.1 individually.

Today I discovered iTunes will not recognize either one. They show to be charging when plugged in, and getting system info showed both on the USB bus.

In talking with Apple tech support, they acknowledged the issue and said the only fix was to upgrade my Mac's OS (including iTunes). I told them I did not wish to do that, as a Quicken 2007 user (with transactions back to 1994); High Sierra already is hinky with Quicken, giving error messages when closing, saying the file wasn't saved. Luckily, it is saved, so I can continue for now. But it seems the next macOS might break Quicken for good.

Tomorrow I get to figure out if I can back up the iPhone and iPad with SuperDuper; or restore each device from the backup before the upgrade; or look at creating an external partition that I can upgrade the macOS on, just for use with the phone and iPad.

Thanks, Apple, for an unwelcome complication. How about just upgrading iTumes for High Sierra?!
 


I cannot read new messages with Siri in my car, with my phone paired to the car. Says I have to unlock the phone, which is dangerous while driving. I can send messages OK with Siri. This is a real pain... Do they think this is some kind of security thing? It is my phone and my car....
 


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