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Apple seems to have taken something that works well - clicking on the Updates icon in Apps, replaced it with "Arcade", which I have zero interest in, and buried the app updates behind 3 clicks. Just opened this, and it shows recent updates with no option to see if there are new updates. Steve Jobs is hitting high RPM's in his grave with the Apple of late 2019.
While I don't like the change, it is reachable with one tap - load App Store – in the top right is a circle icon (in my case my AppleID picture), which brings up the Account page, which has updates below "Personalized Recommendations" near the bottom of the screen - pull down to force a refresh. If there are updates waiting to be applied, it says "Upcoming Automatic Updates" in grey text, and has an "Update All" in blue text below that.
 


Apple appears to have removed iTunes Match from iOS 13, or they have done a great job of hiding it. Maybe they want you to sign up from Apple Music, which I will never do!
Not sure what you mean by 'removed'/'hiding'. I seem to see all my music in iCloud within Music on my iPhone X. And I can apparently download any such tracks which are not already on the phone. (I have an iTunes Match subscription but not Apple Music - no interest in that.)
 



Ric Ford

MacInTouch
Wow, Safari in iOS 13.1 is making a mess of this website. That may be a showstopper right there.

Update: false alarm! The problem was enabling the Firefox Focus content blocker. Don't do that here, I guess... it blocked icons and JavaScript used by the rich text editor, so that it no longer functioned.
 


Some apps are not working anymore. For me, for example, LastPass. The solution is uninstall and reinstall. I found a few other ones, which means I have to check every single one and go through this process...
 


Uninstalling apps: seems there is now an additional step needed. First if you hold down the icon of an app, two options appear "Share app" and "Rearrange app". If you now hold the icon down again, the apps icons will begin to wiggle and show the "X"for deletion.
 


Apple silently switched on Game Center for iCloud behind my back with iOS 13.1 installation - it was previously turned off. Two third-party apps were similarly synced to iCloud without notification or permission.
Same here, Ric. I had it turned off and, after updating to iOS 13.1, it was turned back on.
 



Yup - looks like it! The way this support article is now worded, it would appear iTunes Match is only supported on macOS, but on any other device, you must have an Apple Music subscription. Otherwise, you need to manually sync the music from the Mac to the device (which, of course, in some ways totally negates the purpose of having iTunes Match in the first place).
I can confirm that iTunes Match is working for me, without Apple Music. iOS 13.1, iPhone 6s
 


On my machine it works and it doesn't. It works in the sense that it looks like it's working. It doesn't in the sense that it keeps putting up a dialog saying that I need to update some software in order to work with this phone. But it doesn't say what software it is thinking of updating. iTunes? The whole darned system? What? And I'm not buying a pig in a poke to find out.
Apple's website states that the iPhone 11 System requirements are:
• macOS El Capitan 10.11.6 through macOS Mojave 10.14.6 using iTunes 12.8 or later
I am not sure if this is for the phone itself or iOS 13. I have a 2007 Mac Pro running El Capitan 10.11.6 and iTunes 12.8.2, which supposedly fit the listed requirements.

I was considering buying the iPhone 11, but when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.

My system fits the stated system requirements for iPhone11 / iOS 13, so I am perplexed as to why my iPhone 8 with iOS 13 won't sync. Updating to iOS 13.1 did not fix this either. If I buy the iPhone 11 am I going to have the same trouble? Are the listed system requirements wrong?
 


Apple's website states that the iPhone 11 System requirements are:
I am not sure if this is for the phone itself or iOS 13. I have a 2007 Mac Pro running El Capitan 10.11.6 and iTunes 12.8.2, which supposedly fit the listed requirements.
I was considering buying the iPhone 11, but when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.
My system fits the stated system requirements for iPhone11 / iOS 13, so I am perplexed as to why my iPhone 8 with iOS 13 won't sync. Updating to iOS 13.1 did not fix this either. If I buy the iPhone 11 am I going to have the same trouble? Are the listed system requirements wrong?
I'll take a guess:
Officially your 2007 Mac Pro maxes out at OS X 10.7.5.
I'm guessing you hacked it to OS X 10.11.6.
Maybe that's why?
 




Miscellaneous annoyances in iOS 13's user interface changes:

In Shortcuts, attempting to reorder my shortcuts is proving daunting. There's zero hint on-screen about how to reorder them. Using "Edit" causes them to "wiggle" (suggesting the reordering behavior of the main-screen icons) but doesn't allow moving them, only deleting them. Swiping doesn't work (either direction). Hard-pressing only opens the shortcut into "edit contents" mode (as distinct from mere "edit" mode!). Seems like you have to create shortcuts in the order you want them to appear on screen, because they're stuck that way forever. Related: What's with the enormous Shortcuts icons? Screen wasters. Could fit twice as many on the phone's screen if they were narrower.​
App Store - Aside from the very annoying disappearance from the main screen's indicator of apps-offering-updates to be hidden beneath the tiny, unexplained user's photo/icon (which others have already mentioned on this thread), there's the ridiculous move of the "Updates" module off-screen below the new "Purchased" tab, below the new "Redeem Gift Card or Code" tab, below the new "Send Gift Card by Email" tab, below the "Add Funds to Apple ID" tab, and below the new "Personalized Recommendations" settings tab. Those are all functions less often used/needed than "Update Apps." No way to reorder or customize that App Store screen, either. Sheesh!​
Animoji/Memoji - Not that I've ever used one, but I tried to explore. Good luck figuring out where/how to create/edit them. The Messages app seems to be the only place to do it, and even there, it's obscure. Once you find the animoji editing module, you're stuck with a pretty limited array of face/head options (assuming you don't want to use a shark or a ghost or one of the other cartoon pre-creations). And once you click "Done," there's no apparent way to re-enter the edit mode to make corrections or tweaks. Honestly, I can see some value in these, but the interface has a ways to go, for me, anyway.​
#userinterface #appleui
Another "feature" is that when you go into the user icon, my account shows "Credit: $0.00"! There is over $50 in my Apple ID balance. Clicking on my name from this screen does show my balance and not $0.00. Does anybody even test the software anymore or just assume we will fix it with patches a week later? Perhaps this is some new balance that we have to fund beyond using iTunes cards!
 


when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.
Do you have a screenshot of that dialog box? It's supposed to be offering to download the software for you.

Also, check your Updates in the App Store. Do you have an "iTunes Device Support Update" available for install? If so, that may be what you need.

Also, you can check in System Information > Software > Installations. Do you have "iTunes Device Support Update" listed there? It probably won't list a version number, but what date was it installed?
 


it keeps putting up a dialog saying that I need to update some software in order to work with this phone. But it doesn't say what software it is thinking of updating. iTunes? The whole darned system? What? And I'm not buying a pig in a poke to find out.
when I updated my iPhone 8 to iOS 13 and tried to sync to iTunes, I get the pop-up dialog box stating that "A software update is required to connect to iPhone" but doesn't state exactly what software.
The unusual "software update required" dialogs are the same type as those discussed last year in the iOS 12 thread and described in a rather superficial Apple support article.

The update installs the "MobileDeviceOnDemand" package, which contains updated kernel extensions and frameworks to enable older systems to work with the latest versions of iOS. It also install a "CoreTypes" package containing updated icons for iOS devices.

If anyone wants a detailed listing of the latest package contents, drop me a note at josehill at gmx.com.
 


I'll take a guess:
Officially your 2007 Mac Pro maxes out at OS X 10.7.5.
I'm guessing you hacked it to OS X 10.11.6.
Maybe that's why?
Ok, I'm busted :)
Yes, it is running a hacked version of El Capitan, complete with macosxbootloader, only so I could sync with previous iOS versions, which is also what I did to get it to run Yosemite before that. It always worked up until now.

It seems if it is successfully running the supported software, it should work. However, if JoseHill is correct and it is wanting to download updated kernel extensions and frameworks, I fear it will overwrite what I've done, and my machine won't boot up anymore. I guess I could always restore from a Carbon Copy Cloner backup if things go sideways.
 



When using Notes in iOS 13, will new or updated Notes sync with other iOS devices and my Retina MacBook Pro with macOS 12.14.6, as it has been doing with iOS 12?

(I recall reading only once that macOS 10.15 was required to keep syncing working but have not read anything else about this nor can I find the reference that I read.)
 




Yup - looks like it! The way this support article is now worded, it would appear iTunes Match is only supported on macOS, but on any other device, you must have an Apple Music subscription. Otherwise, you need to manually sync the music from the Mac to the device (which, of course, in some ways totally negates the purpose of having iTunes Match in the first place).
I still see all my songs and playlists, with the cloud icons for things still in the cloud. Nothing looks different for me so far. What aren’t you seeing?

And the article says:
If you only want to sync your existing music library across all of your devices, and not any music from the Apple Music catalog, you can subscribe to iTunes Match on your computer. iTunes Match lets you access your music library on any Apple device or a PC with iTunes for Windows.
 


I'm trying to find more information about iTunes 12.6.5.3, which supports apps, and iOS 13.1 — there are conflicting reports. Has anyone else had an experience to share?
The last post on this thread with iOS 13.0 sounds like it works:
And the last post on this thread with iOS 13.1 sounds like it doesn't work:
My mid-2015 MacBook Pro (11,5) is running High Sierra (10.13.6) with iTunes 12.8.2.3. I had no luck upgrading my iPhone 7 or iPad (6th) with iTunes yesterday, so upgraded both to iOS 13.1 individually.

Today I discovered iTunes will not recognize either one. They show to be charging when plugged in, and getting system info showed both on the USB bus.

In talking with Apple tech support, they acknowledged the issue and said the only fix was to upgrade my Mac's OS (including iTunes). I told them I did not wish to do that, as a Quicken 2007 user (with transactions back to 1994); High Sierra already is hinky with Quicken, giving error messages when closing, saying the file wasn't saved. Luckily, it is saved, so I can continue for now. But it seems the next macOS might break Quicken for good.

Tomorrow I get to figure out if I can back up the iPhone and iPad with SuperDuper; or restore each device from the backup before the upgrade; or look at creating an external partition that I can upgrade the macOS on, just for use with the phone and iPad.

Thanks, Apple, for an unwelcome complication. How about just upgrading iTumes for High Sierra?!
 


I cannot read new messages with Siri in my car, with my phone paired to the car. Says I have to unlock the phone, which is dangerous while driving. I can send messages OK with Siri. This is a real pain... Do they think this is some kind of security thing? It is my phone and my car....
 


In iOS 13 and iPadOS Mail, auto-completion of addresses with Group names seems to be random. I have an Apple Contacts group I email every morning (in BCC), and under iOS 12, the auto-complete worked fine. Now in iOS 13, it only works about 1 in 10 times. Individual address auto-complete works fine in To, CC and BCC fields. Anybody else, or is it just me?
 


As I will be sticking with Mojave for quite a while on our Macs, and the iPad Air 2 is our last iToy that can still be updated, I'm curious to know if somehow updating to iPadOS will get me stuck in a situation where Catalina is required for something or other to run. In the end never really used it for much, but still (I do recall something along the lines of not being able to backup to iTunes after moving to a version of iOS that went beyond the macOS version I was sticking with at the time)...
According to AppleInsider, Reminders in iOS 13 won't sync via iCloud to a Mac unless the Mac is on Catalina. Apparently the upgraded Reminders app in iOS is not compatible with Mojave and earlier.
 


Ric Ford

MacInTouch
... Reminders in iOS 13 won't sync via iCloud to a Mac unless the Mac is on Catalina. Apparently the upgraded Reminders app in iOS is not compatible with Mojave and earlier.
The same problem affects Reminders in iOS 13: iCloud sync will not work with iOS 12 Reminders, and Apple pushes you to update any device with iOS 12 to iOS 13, though some, of course, such as the first iPad Air and earlier Apple devices, will not run iOS 13.
 


In talking with Apple tech support, they acknowledged the issue and said the only fix was to upgrade my Mac's OS (including iTunes). I told them I did not wish to do that, as a Quicken 2007 user (with transactions back to 1994)
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Tomorrow I get to figure out if I can back up the iPhone and iPad with SuperDuper; or restore each device from the backup before the upgrade; or look at creating an external partition that I can upgrade the macOS on, just for use with the phone and iPad.
The advice from Apple really doesn't sound right to me at all. (I'm running Sierra 10.12.6 with iTunes 12.8.2.3, and I'm syncing just fine with my iOS 13 devices.) I suggest pointing the support analyst to the Apple support article below and asking if you might need to install that update, including asking if you can download and install it manually. Ask to escalate to a higher-level engineer if necessary. I see no reason why you should be forced to move to a newer version of macOS at this time.


P.S. I've found iMazing to be superior to iTunes for backing up and accessing content on iDevices. I noticed yesterday that bundlehunt.com is running a very nice deal on iMazing at the moment ($5 to unlock the bundle, $6 for iMazing; other tools, like iStat Menus, Waltr 2, and DriveDx can be added to the bundle for similarly low $). Disclaimer: I have no connection to either BundleHunt or iMazing, aside from being an occasional customer of both.
 


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