Ric, my iPhone SE was purchased new in September 2016 and still has the original battery. Battery Health indicates the maximum capacity is 94% of when new. This SE is always on and with me 24/7, recharged each night. Both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are enabled all the time, with an Apple Watch S4 and a third-party medical device paired to the phone via Bluetooth. Otherwise the SE is lightly used for calls, health monitoring, checking weather forecasts, etc., in normal mode (i.e., not low power).We did have one report from an iPhone SE user who did not experience the iOS 13 battery drain issue
I was surprised by the initial, "Hello" screen as well, but the very next one indicated that I had successfully updated the phone (an XS) to 13.2 — which is the kind of notification iOS has been lacking all long. Being a trust but verify kind of guy from long and painful experience, I'd immediately go to About... to verify that the update had occurred.I just updated the iPhone X from iOS 13.1.3 to iOS 13.2 and was unexpectedly greeted by a disconcerting series of screens that appear when starting up a brand-new iPhone.
Fortunately, after navigating "Hello", and Siri stuff, etc., it appears that I still have all my apps and data intact. Whew.
Nope, that wasn’t it - fast drain continues with watch and iPhone in close proximity.Hmmm, but it's not currently sitting right next to the Apple Watch. I wonder if it's straining itself for a Bluetooth connection to the watch on its charger on the floor above? (Maybe, maybe not?)
If you use the iPad Pro on the Internet, I would recommend updating to get all the security patches, which look serious to me and seem to be getting a lot of effort from Apple.Can anyone comment on updating an iPad Pro 9.7” to iPadOS 13.2? The new multitasking features are attractive, but with so many new versions in the last couple of weeks, I'm more than a bit apprehensive. I'm still on IOS 12.4.1, which has been admirably stable.
Equally annoying, Apple is yet again harassing me to use "memoji" and similar garbage, even though I previously declined, but this Apple will never let you say "no" (a quintessential example of this increasingly abusive behavior).I just updated the iPhone X from iOS 13.1.3 to iOS 13.2 and was unexpectedly greeted by a disconcerting series of screens that appear when starting up a brand-new iPhone.
Yesterday, I updated my 9.7" iPad Pro to iPadOS 13.2 and have seen no sign of a problem – so far!Can anyone comment on updating an iPad Pro 9.7” to iPadOS 13.2? The new multitasking features are attractive, but with so many new versions in the last couple of weeks, I'm more than a bit apprehensive. I'm still on IOS 12.4.1, which has been admirably stable.
I have an iPhone 7 which has started having battery problems since iOS 13 was installed. It's running 13.2 and still has problems. It will burn though the battery in a few hours (with nothing running). It was left off the charger last night and when I picked it up this morning it said the battery was at 45% but then immediately crashed. When it restarted, it said it had 8% battery and crashed again. I put it back on the charger, and it has recharged. Battery health says it is 100%. Software...Just a quick update on fast battery drain with iOS 13 and an iPhone SE:
As another test, I tried to switch SIM cards and carriers yesterday but ran into a problem where the iPhone SE could make calls but not receive calls after the switch, so I had to switch back. I have a few more things I can try (all, yet again, quite time-consuming).
- The rapid drain continues today, despite plenty of hours on the charger to do any housekeeping work after the iOS 13.2 update and having the Apple Watch and iPhone in close proximity.
- This occurs with no apps running at all.
- The iPhone SE is in Low Power Mode.
- The iPhone SE was new this year and has 100% battery capacity.
- Settings > Battery is unhelpful for identifying the issue. It shows no activity on the activity graph and the highest battery usage (24 hours) is shown as "App Store, Background Activity" at 23%.
- An iPhone X has has no problem with excess battery drain using the same iOS versions.
Battery drain has been really bad today, so I'm taking drastic action and resetting the iPhone SE completely.Just a quick update on fast battery drain with iOS 13 and an iPhone SE...
I haven't switched to the iPhone 7, because I much prefer the size of the iPhone SE, so no feedback on that at this point. (That may be another test, though, if the iPhone SE still can't manage battery drain after this major erase-and-restore project.)Hi, Ric - earlier you mentioned that you had upgraded an iPhone 7 to iOS 13.1 and it seemed to be OK... is it still "good"? On 13.2 yet?
I have consistently found that moving to a new iPhone and trying to restore from a backup to be a painful, overly lengthy experience that I dread. I have done this a number of times over the years for family members, and I generally have to do it in closed, private room, so that I can "vent" and not offend anyone with my expletives.Battery drain has been really bad today, so I'm taking drastic action and resetting the iPhone SE completely.
I have an iCloud backup from yesterday...
You know, we used to make lists just like this comparing performing a similar task on a PC vs. a Mac…Battery drain has been really bad today, so I'm taking drastic action and resetting the iPhone SE completely.
1. I have an iCloud backup from yesterday.
57. The watchOS 6.1 update finally completed after a long time.
After the painful erase and reinstall rebuild, iPhone SE battery management has been better for six hours off the charger - like things were before I installed iOS 13 (now on iOS 13.2).Battery drain has been really bad today, so I'm taking drastic action and resetting the iPhone SE completely...
Backups do not store any information that utilizes the Secure Enclave, including Touch/Face ID and Apple Pay.11. I have to re-do Touch ID fingerprint set-up.
32. Now I have to set up Apple Pay all over again. (ditto) And re-agree to long piles of fine print terms and conditions.
This happens when you restore a backup from an older iOS version to a device with a newer iOS version. It has to go through the upgrade process to make sure all your data and settings from the old iOS have been updated to work with what is expected on the new iOS version (basically just like when you do an update on your phone). I'm not sure if you inadvertently did an iOS update when you did your first restore attempt with iMazing? Or, if it really was the exact same iOS version for both the backup and then restore, maybe it just showed you that message, but did no further upgrade actions to the data when you proceeded?18. Restore starts.
21. The iPhone reboots.
22. "Press Home to Upgrade". Huh?
iTunes is telling you to enter your passcode on your iOS device, so that your iOS device will Trust your computer and allow a data connection over the lightning connector. This is part of Apple's defense against malicious data connection attacks from, say, malicious charging stations or law enforcement data cracking tools. Because you just completed a restore on your system, your iOS device currently does not have any devices in its Trusted list.23. Enter Passcode.
24. iTunes posts an error that it needs a passcode. Huh? Push the Try Again button.
We've discussed this before, but iOS backups do not backup apps. It does, however, backup a list of apps (and their versions) installed, so that upon restore, those apps are redownloaded from the App Store or transferred from iTunes (if you have an iTunes version that manages apps). Or you can manually add apps that aren't available on the App Store.28. "Restore Completed" on the iPhone, except "Apps and data will continue downloading in the background." So I guess that long backup and restore didn't count, huh?
Yes, you're technically signing back into these services on a new device, so Apple sends alerts to your other devices about the new sign-in as a security measure. You'll be grateful for these alerts when someday somebody signs into your account from Malaysia, as happened to my father recently.34. I get all kinds of alerts on various devices about FaceTime and iCloud and Apple ID Verification... again?!?
39. Multiple Apple ID/iMessage alerts pop up on my other phone.
This is part of adding your new device to your iCloud Keychain. You have to approve its addition on one of your other trusted devices, so its keys can be added to access that encrypted iCloud data. I believe this also affects services like iMessage and Voice Memos in iCloud.42. I look up the password for an Apple account in a password manager, complicated by Apple's changes to its domain names over the years, and enter it.
43. I have to authenticate on a different device. I guess entering my Apple ID repeatedly, and my fingerprints and all didn't count?
44. More alerts on other devices.
The iPhone was already at iOS 13.2. I backed it up and restored it... to iOS 13.2.This happens when you restore a backup from an older iOS version to a device with a newer iOS version.
Right. But I'd already entered the passcode once. I had to enter it again, because iOS didn't see it the first time.iTunes is telling you to enter your passcode on your iOS device, so that your iOS device will Trust your computer and allow a data connection over the lightning connector.
So someone in Malaysia had your father's Apple ID password? I wonder how they obtained it.You'll be grateful for these alerts when someday somebody signs into your account from Malaysia, as happened to my father recently.
(Sorry for this long post, but I haven't checked MacInTouch for a while and am just noticing this thread.)... After the painful erase and reinstall rebuild, iPhone SE battery management has been better for six hours off the charger - like things were before I installed iOS 13 (now on iOS 13.2). I'll see how things go over the next few days...
Joe Rossignol said:Complaints Mounting About iOS 13.2 Being 'More Aggressive at Killing Background Apps and Tasks'
A growing number of iPhone and iPad users have complained about poor RAM management on iOS 13 and iPadOS 13, leading to apps like Safari, YouTube, and Overcast reloading more frequently upon being reopened.
For what it’s worth, I replaced my iPhone 7 with an iPhone 11 Pro, but chose to keep the iPhone 7 for work-related tasks (my employer requires mobile-device management (MDM) software if connecting to their network, so I have avoided that in the past). It no longer has an active cellular account, but is always on wifi, with Mail (an Exchange account), Slack and a handful of other applications running. I don’t keep it plugged in, because I’m concerned about battery life if I do that. I erased the phone and installed it with a fresh iOS 13 install, which is now up to 13.2. It gets mild use during the day.[That there are no issues] can't be said of iPhone 7. I'm seeing faster battery burn; overnight, unplugged, it went from full to 30%. Battery reports that Siri and Apple Music were responsible for nearly all the battery drain. Siri shouldn't have been running, nor Apple Music, as I'd killed everything.
After the painful erase and reinstall rebuild, iPhone SE battery management has been better for six hours off the charger - like things were before I installed iOS 13 (now on iOS 13.2).
I have suspected that radios / modems / cell strength, and related firmware, might be involved here (and I did all the updates I could find to do, along with power off/on, etc., etc., trying to make sure I had the latest carrier settings). But I see that a modem firmware upate occurred at some point during my updates to iOS 13.2 and the arduous erase/rebuild procedure (from Settings > General > About):In my case, I think the radios cause the largest variation in battery life.
|Oct. 26||iOS 13.1.3||Modem Firmware 9.00.01|
|Oct. 31||iOS 13.2||Modem Firmware 9.11.01|
(after erase and rebuild)
Thanks for the demystification. It helps to understand what is going on, but it's still a miserable user experience. I recently updated a couple of Sierra machines to Mojave, and I still haven't recovered from the frustration of being flooded with Apple ID password requests and application Privacy/Security prompts.I'll try to demystify a few of the actions during the restore process where it wasn't clear why iOS was doing or asking that:
My contacts in a Fortune 500 company tell me that there is a great deal of anger with Apple about IOS 13, and they are considering alternatives. They had lots of phones simply stop working earlier this month. They have thousands of iPhones which can no longer access dozens of the company's software tools with a single login.(On the other hand, I'm still experiencing odd, brief dropouts in phone conversations, which I have also been trying unsuccessfully for weeks and weeks to isolate and resolve.)
I've been running all the non-beta incarnations of iPadOS 13 as they came out on my 9.7” iPad Pro, and I haven’t had any serious problems. My iPad is pretty much my daily driver (I don’t do anything these days that‘s particularly taxing). I haven't had any issues with apps crashing or anything problematic with battery life. The only issue I’ve experienced is discoverability of several of the new features, but once I figured out how most of them worked, I’ve been loving the update.Can anyone comment on updating an iPad Pro 9.7” to iPadOS 13.2? The new multitasking features are attractive, but with so many new versions in the last couple of weeks, I'm more than a bit apprehensive. I'm still on IOS 12.4.1, which has been admirably stable.
Marco Arment said:Major new bugs introduced in iOS 13.2:
- background downloads often hang forever and never run
- apps get killed in the background so aggressively that iOS effectively doesn’t offer multitasking anymore
…continuing the iOS 13 pattern of breaking long-held basic functionality.
I’m sure Apple has good excuses about why their software quality is so s****y again.
I hear the same thing over and over from people inside: they aren’t given enough time to fix bugs.
Your software quality is broken, Apple. Deeply, systemically broken. Get your s*** together.
Redmond Pie said:iOS 13 And Catalina Apple Notes App Not Syncing Via iCloud Between Devices
Having problems with notes saved to the Apple Notes app not syncing when a Mac is involved? Specifically, a Mac running macOS 10.15 through 10.15.1 or an iPhone or iPad running iOS 13 or iPadOS 13? You aren’t alone.
We’ve been hearing reports of people finding that those running iOS or iPadOS devices with the latest versions of their software are unable to make their notes sync with a Mac, again running the latest version.
... Similar issues to this have been happening with the Reminders app, again via iCloud syncing.
I don't doubt at all, reading these horror stories about trying to reset and reconfigure an iPhone, but... yesterday I traded in my iPhone 7 for a new iPhone 11 at my local Apple Store. After the financial process was completed, it took about 20 minutes to configure the new iPhone (including my logon PIN, my T-Mobile account, my Wi-Fi settings and my Mail accounts). The phone started downloading apps (which requires Wi-Fi), but I just walked home and the process paused. When I got home, it picked up again and all the apps were restored in about 30 minutes. The only thing I had to do was train the face recognition. The Apple guy said that the only problem with this process is when customers come in without a current backup (some phones hadn't been backed up in three years), and it takes hours to get a backup and then build the new phone. I had a current iCloud backup from that morning; this phone has my wife listed as the user, and I had her ID and password available (thanks, 1Password!). Moving to a new phone appears to be a lot easier than rebuilding an existing phone, but I'm not sure why.Battery drain has been really bad today, so I'm taking drastic action and resetting the iPhone SE completely.
(I'm holding back some thoughts about Apple's "experience designers" at this point....)
My experience is completely the opposite of yours. It takes a while, but whether restoring from an encrypted iTunes backup or an iCloud backup, it’s pretty much just start and wait. I double-check the internet accounts and make sure the right services are still active and the correct ones set for default, but I have no issues to report. What is your process, and what are the issues you run into?I have consistently found that moving to a new iPhone and trying to restore from a backup to be a painful, overly lengthy experience that I dread. I have done this a number of times over the years for family members, and I generally have to do it in closed, private room, so that I can "vent" and not offend anyone with my expletives. This has so far only involved using iTunes versions capable of transferring and managing apps (although there have been a few apps that apparently had to download from the cloud). It is an unbelievably convoluted process from a company whose gear supposedly "just works".
Two days after the radical reset and rebuild*, it looks like the iPhone SE battery performance is back to normal - i.e. the same performance it had prior to the update from iOS 12 to iOS 13. (I have no idea what changed in the reset/rebuild.)So far, battery life has been better since the rebuild, though I'll need to judge over more days of use, and I wonder if this is related to the modem firmware update.
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