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Need help here. I'm trying to get loose of 1Password. I want to transfer all my logons, passwords, and data to another program - not yet determined. Anyone done this? If so how? Agile's web site has nothing, and support emails get a robot.
It would depend on what you are moving to and what files it can read to import. There is an export function in 1Password 6 (not sure about 1Password 7) that can export in text, 1Password Interchange format, and .csv, which is a pretty standard format. And in 1Password, you can be selective about what you export (all or a selection), so there is some flexibility in that.
 



Thank you! I take great pains to go over my settings carefully, and was beginning to second guess myself.
FYI: On another machine, an iMac running (and limited to) High Sierra, the 1Password update to 7.3.1 did have the "automatic-install" preference set (against my wishes and against my settings pre-update). This did not happen on my Mojave machine (an old MacBook Pro).

So, apparently, 1Password's update settings regarding "automatic" update preferences are not consistent across macOS versions.
 



I've been a very satisfied user of 1Password since version 3. May I ask what your problem was with version 7? What “infection” does 1Password represent?
I agree. Knock-on-wood, I've never had a problem with 1Password, including running Version 7 for as long as it's been available. (Knock-on-wood again!)
 


I agree. Knock-on-wood, I've never had a problem with 1Password, including running Version 7 for as long as it's been available. (Knock-on-wood again!)
I am curious about the "'infection' that 1Password presents" as well.

I was apprehensive about 1Password 7 and subscriptions, so after the beta version was offered in early 2018, I followed the user forums and tried to learn as much as possible. In late January 2019, I gave it a whirl and I am quite happy.
 


... I was apprehensive about 1Password 7 and subscriptions, so after the beta version was offered in early 2018, I followed the user forums and tried to learn as much as possible. In late January 2019, I gave it a whirl and I am quite happy.
I've been using 1Password since Version 4. The decision to go subscription was agonizing, albeit soothed by the multiplatform capabilities and real database sync (in AgileBits Cloud) rather than the more error-prone vault sync via Dropbox. I switched over in late January 2018, so I have a year more of 'happy' than you have.
 


…I switched over in late January 2018, so I have a year more of 'happy' than you have.
Oops, my typo in that I, too, switched in late January 2018 (not 2019) when Agilebits had a 50% off special for six months. Originally, started with version 2 and manual syncing via WLAN server. Auto-sync via their membership cloud is terrific for me.
 


Oops, my typo in that I, too, switched in late January 2018 (not 2019) when Agilebits had a 50% off special for six months. Originally, started with version 2 and manual syncing via WLAN server. Auto-sync via their membership cloud is terrific for me.
And the recent icing on the cake is the integration of 1Password by many iPhone apps, like my bank and iCloud apps. In most cases, I do not know what my password is for a particular site. But I do remember my 1Password access password sentence.
 



I would be surprised if a polite request to AgileBits didn't get you the old extension. I have found them extremely helpful.
As suggested, I sent a very polite note to AgileBilts requesting the 1Password 6 extension for use with my re-installed Safari 12.x.

They sent a very polite robo-email back, not saying no, but definitely not saying yes:
AgileBits said:
Hey there! 👋

Thanks for taking the time to contact us.

In September 2019, Apple discontinued the Safari Extensions Gallery, which was required to install the 1Password 6 extension in Safari.

From now on, Safari will only support Safari App Extensions like the one included in 1Password 7. Because of this change, you can no longer install the 1Password 6 extension in Safari.

Although your license for 1Password 6 for Mac hasn't expired (and never will), the last update to that version was in May of 2018. It's no longer being actively developed and will only receive critical security updates in the future.

To continue using Safari with 1Password for Mac, you'll need to upgrade to 1Password 7. A 1Password membership is your best option, as you'll get 1Password 7 and all future upgrades. Try it free for 30 days.

After you sign up, you can move your existing 1Password data to your new account with just a few clicks. Learn how:

Move your existing 1Password data to a 1Password account

If you still need help, reply to this message, and one of my human friends will get back to you as soon as possible.

BitBot, and the entire 1Password team ❤
 


As suggested, I sent a very polite note to AgileBilts requesting the 1Password 6 extension for use with my re-installed Safari 12.x. They sent a very polite robo-email back, not saying no, but definitely not saying yes...
I'm sorry to hear that, but perhaps a reply to get a human involved would be worth a try?
 



I would be surprised if a polite request to AgileBits didn't get you the old extension. I have found them extremely helpful.
As a long time 1Password user, I wasn’t happy when 1Password switched to a subscription model. I wanted to upgrade to 1Password 7 without committing to a subscription, so I managed to purchase a stand-alone license. Recently, I discovered a free password manager called Bitwarden. I read several very positive reviews, so I decided to give it a try.

It turns out to be a terrific alternative to 1Password. I’ve since switched my iMac, Macbook Air, iPhone and iPad to Bitwarden. I had a few issues to start, and I found their support to be extremely helpful and responsive. I was able to export my 1Password vault and import it directly into Bitwarden It was relatively painless.

Although it’s free, they ask for $10 to add capabilities similar to 1Password; for example, to report compromised email addresses and passwords. I gladly paid the $10.

It has all of the bells and whistles of 1Password (e.g. Safari, Chrome, Firefox, etc. extensions) without the subscription hassle. I have no affiliation with Bitwarden other than being a very satisfied customer. It’s close but no quite as polished as 1Password, but it’s far from crude, works flawlessly and the cost is exceedingly reasonable.
 


As a long time 1Password user, I wasn’t happy when 1Password switched to a subscription model. I wanted to upgrade to 1Password 7 without committing to a subscription, so I managed to purchase a stand-alone license. Recently, I discovered a free password manager called Bitwarden. I read several very positive reviews, so I decided to give it a try. ... It has all of the bells and whistles of 1Password (e.g. Safari, Chrome, Firefox, etc. extensions) without the subscription hassle. I have no affiliation with Bitwarden other than being a very satisfied customer. It’s close but no quite as polished as 1Password, but it’s far from crude, works flawlessly and the cost is exceedingly reasonable.
Does their browser extension work with Safari 13?
 


Does their browser extension work with Safari 13?
I've downloaded the beta version of the app, which supposedly installs the Safari extension upon first launch, but I have yet to get it to work.

I'm so over what Apple has done to Safari, anyway, and the fact that more and more sites just don't work well with it, that I've pretty much abandoned it in favor of Vivaldi.
 





Another alternative (also Open Source) is Buttercup (no Safari extension yet, however).
It is great to have alternatives to 1Password and LastPass and similar. I wonder, though, how do we evaluate the security of these apps? Does anyone know of an independent evaluation?

Also, the website for Bitwarden looks very nice, but I can nowhere find any information about the programmers (8Bit Solutions LLC, I guess). Who are they? Not to immediately jump to the nefarious, but how do I know they aren't the NSA or the KGB? How do I know that they really do use AES encryption, and they don't keep the key?
 


FWIW, it works great for me.
I downloaded Bitwarden 1.16.4, and the extension works in Safari 13 (you do have to activate it in the Safari Extensions prefs.). I paid the $10 for the 1GB storage so my attachments from 1Password would be able to be imported. I also got the iOS app.

I attempted to import all my 1Password items via the .1pif export, as spelled out by Bitwarden. I kept getting error messages about >10,000 characters in the notes field. I don't have any note fields with that many characters. I eventually exported/imported my 1Password items in batches, and though I still occasionally got the same error message, it would work if I tried again.

However, none of the attachments were imported. I wrote Bitwarden, and they said attachments had to be imported manually. Hmmm.

So, Bitwarden does function and looks and works sort of like 1Password. My problem is it's not close enough to 1Password to satisfy my wife's new-tech phobia. Since we share a password locker, I can't switch without her.

As it sits, I will stick with Safari 12 and 1Password on my Mojave MacBook Air for now and use Firefox (with a functional 1Password browser extension) on my High Sierra iMac.

Of course, if we could share passwords in our respective iCloud Keychains using Family sharing, I wouldn't have to mess with other password managers at all.
 


Also, the website for Bitwarden looks very nice, but I can nowhere find any information about the programmers (8Bit Solutions LLC, I guess). Who are they?
At https://bitwarden.com/, we find a link to a Bitwarden Blog.
At Bitwarden Blog, we see that all the entries are authored by Kyle.
We notice that the tags for Kyle's blog entries include "@kspearrin".
Since Bitwarden is open source, we try https://github.com/kspearrin.
Bingo, the GitHub pages lists Kyle Spearrin (kspearrin) as "Founder and lead developer @bitwarden", and his home page is https://www.kylespearrin.com/.
The home page has links to Kyle's Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and (found previously) github personae.

Your move.

#internetstalkerchallenge
 



As it sits, I will stick with Safari 12 and 1Password on my Mojave MacBook Air for now and use Firefox (with a functional 1Password browser extension) on my High Sierra iMac.
Are you using 1Password 7? If I go to the 1Password browser extension page, they don't offer a Safari plugin for download. Instead, underneath Safari, it says Included with 1Password 7. Unless I am misinterpreting that, it would seem to imply that they have done something to 1Password 7 to make it compatible without a separate plugin?
 



Are you using 1Password 7? If I go to the 1Password browser extension page, they don't offer a Safari plugin for download. Instead, underneath Safari, it says Included with 1Password 7. Unless I am misinterpreting that, it would seem to imply that they have done something to 1Password 7 to make it compatible without a separate plugin?
I'm avoiding 1Password v7, because I would have to get a family plan for just me and my wife, and that costs $60/year. I am a longtime user (since 1Password 3), but it's hard to justify the subscription price. There are also some issues around 1Password 7 switching from folders to 'tags', but mainly it's the price.
 


I'm avoiding 1Password v7, because I would have to get a family plan for just me and my wife, and that costs $60/year. I am a longtime user (since 1Password 3), but it's hard to justify the subscription price. There are also some issues around 1Password 7 switching from folders to 'tags', but mainly it's the price.
I started with 1Password 4 and then agonized long and hard about going to a subscription with 1Password 7. The folders to 'tags' conversion was annoying but went reasonably well. Document handling is surprisingly different but manageable.

Considerations driving switching to 1Password 7 included:
  • More reliable syncing than with Dropbox - no more conflicted items.
  • Needs only one (1) license covering essentially everything -- desktop, notebook, iPhone, iPad -- we both have at least one of each of these.
Continuing Pros for 1Password 7:
  • Functions on all recent macOS versions.
  • Integrates nicely on recent iOS versions.
  • Works on Windows 10.
  • Works on guest instances in VMs.
  • Continues to work through macOS and iOS in-place upgrades without hassle.
  • Is one less thing to remember to update manually.
  • Is cheaper than a typical MickeyD visit each month.
Warning
Backups are essential - loss of your master password is fatal to your 1Password vault access.
Do not change your master password without first exporting your vault(s) to secure storage elsewhere. Write down your new password before changing it and verify it works after changing it. Save the new password in a secure location (paper or digital).

Editorial
If you do commerce and banking online, you should know that every different login should have a unique password. This is mentally unmanageable as the number of logins increases. A password manager can:
  • Reduce memorized passwords to your main macOS password, iOS PIN, and password manager password.
  • Create complex pseudo-random passwords and then remember them for you.
  • Provide error free credential entry, avoiding those tiny virtual keyboards.
 



After multiple exchanges of emails, AgileBits finally sent me a link to the 1Password 6 extension, with the warning that they didn't know if it would work.

When clicking the link, I selected the "open in Safari" option and Safari 12.2 immediately threw the error message "Safari no longer supports this extension".

So, even though I brought back Safari 12.2 back from Time Machine and the entire Safari folder from "~Library/" from three weeks ago, the 1Password 6 extension wouldn't load.

I'm out of ideas. Looks like I won't have 1Password in Safari anymore.
 


After multiple exchanges of emails, AgileBits finally sent me a link to the 1Password 6 extension, with the warning that they didn't know if it would work.
When clicking the link, I selected the "open in Safari" option and Safari 12.2 immediately threw the error message "Safari no longer supports this extension".
So, even though I brought back Safari 12.2 back from Time Machine and the entire Safari folder from "~Library/" from three weeks ago, the 1Password 6 extension wouldn't load. I'm out of ideas. Looks like I won't have 1Password in Safari anymore.
Hmmmm. My 2011 iMac runs macOS 10.12.6. I run 1Password 6.8.9. I see that my Safari 12.1.2 has the 1Password extension ver 4.6.1. It works a treat from the browser. I have Firefox 69.0.1 (64-bit) running, as well. I see it has the 1Password extension version 4.7.5.90 installed. It, too, works a treat. Am I just lucky? Or can you replicate this?
 


Hmmmm. My 2011 iMac runs macOS 10.12.6. I run 1Password 6.8.9. I see that my Safari 12.1.2 has the 1Password extension ver 4.6.1. It works a treat from the browser. I have Firefox 69.0.1 (64-bit) running, as well. I see it has the 1Password extension version 4.7.5.90 installed. It, too, works a treat. Am I just lucky? Or can you replicate this?
Whatever you do, don't inadvertently upgrade to Safari 13. Even if you subsequently go back to Safari 12, you will no longer be able to use the Safari 1Password browser extension. Extensions for Chrome and Firefox (and others) continue to work.
 


Whatever you do, don't inadvertently upgrade to Safari 13. Even if you subsequently go back to Safari 12, you will no longer be able to use the Safari 1Password browser extension.
For anybody that is attempting to revert to Safari 12, in addition to replacing the Safari.app, you must also restore several WebKit components which are located in /System/Library/, protected by SIP for all recent versions of macOS.
 


Are you using 1Password 7? If I go to the 1Password browser extension page, they don't offer a Safari plugin for download. Instead, underneath Safari, it says Included with 1Password 7. Unless I am misinterpreting that, it would seem to imply that they have done something to 1Password 7 to make it compatible without a separate plugin?
It's 'included' in the app as a Safari App Extension, the only Safari extensions Apple allows now.
 



I'm running Safari 13.0.1 (14608.2.11.1.11), and 1Password 7's extension is working just fine.
To reiterate, the 1Password 7 extension works fine, except that it's $60/year for a family plan. It's the 1Password 6 extension that has been the subject of this thread. Agilebits hasn't (and won't) write an update to that extension work with Safari 13. If you manage to reinstall Safari 12, the 1Password 6 extension still won't work, because the Safari 12 installer doesn't get rid of (unknown) Webkit components that prevent the old extension framework from functioning.
 



I would not advise upgrading 1Password on iOS to 7.4.2 for either the iPhone or the iPad. I am having major problems with iOS 12. For example, on my iPhone the Auto Fill feature when logging into WiFi networks no longer works and it locks up the Settings app when trying to log in. There is a long thread on Agilebits support forum about related issues, mainly dealing with iOS 13 but I am here to say there are also problems with iOS 12.
FYI.
 


I would not advise upgrading 1Password on iOS to 7.4.2 for either the iPhone or the iPad. I am having major problems with iOS 12. For example, on my iPhone the Auto Fill feature when logging into WiFi networks no longer works and it locks up the Settings app when trying to log in. There is a long thread on Agilebits support forum about related issues, mainly dealing with iOS 13 but I am here to say there are also problems with iOS 12.
FYI.
I unknowingly installed 1Password 7.4.2 on iOS 12 this week, and the “Passwords” keyboard feature can no longer provide information to the Fastmail app. Trying to use it locks up FastMail. Restarting both apps does not help, nor does restarting the iPad.
 


I unknowingly installed 1Password 7.4.2 on iOS 12 this week, and the “Passwords” keyboard feature can no longer provide information to the FastMail app. Trying to use it locks up Fastmail. Restarting both apps does not help, nor does restarting the iPad.
While I am unfortunately at a loss to provide true help for your problem, I can provide the data point that I use the FastMail app (latest version) with 1Password 7.4.2 on iOS 12 (though I am still on 12.3.1 at the moment). I have no idea whether my less-than-current version of iOS has anything to do with the fact that I just now logged out of FastMail and was able to log back in via 1Password without any problem.

I do, however, realize that I need to update for security reasons, sooner rather than later.
 


While I am unfortunately at a loss to provide true help for your problem, I can provide the data point that I use the FastMail app (latest version) with 1Password 7.4.2 on iOS 12 (though I am still on 12.3.1 at the moment). I have no idea whether my less-than-current version of iOS has anything to do with the fact that I just now logged out of FastMail and was able to log back in via 1Password without any problem.
I do, however, realize that I need to update for security reasons, sooner rather than later.
Both the FastMail and 1Password apps were updated in the same batch. The new release of FastMail included the ‘Switch User” capability I needed because I check two accounts each day. Now, I do not need to re-enter account credentials every time I switch accounts.

I do not know which app has the problem.

I am running iOS 12.4, having upgraded from iOS 11 early in September. I will not update to iOS 13 until next September, if Apple doesn’t trick me before then.
 


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