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I've used a multi-browser setup ever since storage, RAM, and processors hit levels that made it feasible and relatively painless to do so (I think it was when I got an igloo iMac).
I've done the same. As more functionality becomes available through web browsers, I find that the use of multiple browsers is almost like using the macOS "Spaces" feature to segregate work, and perhaps even a little more convenient.

For example, on the main machine I use for personal use, I use Safari primarily for general personal browsing, Chrome for volunteer work I do with a charity that has adopted G Suite, Firefox for another charity, and Opera for some independent projects. I used to use iCab for a business Facebook account, and I've started playing with Brave.
 


Are all cookies restored, or just from sites you've visited since the last deletion?
Sites will (re)create new cookies on the next visit if they need (want) them, so I'd expect to see the ones from sites you've re-visited reappear (and some for related advertising/tracking properties). You'd have to set 'Block all cookies' on in the Privacy prefs of Safari to prevent any cookies from being created (which I guess would be like surfing in privacy mode).

If they're all being restored, even from sites you haven't visited again, then it might be something do to with the file storing them being read-only (or some other similar weirdness).
If I delete all cookies from Safari and then re-launch Safari after having done so, without first visiting any web site, most - if not all - cookies are there again.

That's okay, though, because for this reason and a host of others, I am through with Safari. I'll stick with Firefox.
 


This does not appear to work to migrate Safari passwords, and additional research indicates there’s no easy way to extract passwords from the keychains Safari uses (other than manually, one at a time).
Well, Ric, every time I install Firefox on another machine the first thing I do is enable Sync. The first time I did this, way back when, I imported everything from Safari. Since then, every time I fire up Firefox sync, everything is there: Favorites toolbar, passwords, login name, etc.
 


I declined the Safari 13 update so far, though I don't use a lot of plugins. Still, I fear that the few I do use will be neutered under the new paradigm, such as AdGuard (AdBlock Plus was effectively trashed in a previous update, and the newer plugins didn't effectively block most ads, especially on YouTube). I also use a Hosts file for system-wide blocking, but YouTube ads don't seem to be much affected by those.

Firefox also borked plugins several months ago, to the point that I downloaded an old version of WaterFox to try to keep a video downloader plugin working. Even if I turn off all the auto-updates on that, it still somehow pulls down a security update that disables those plugins. It's really irritating that "no" doesn't mean no anymore, regardless of which browser you want to use.
 


On the iPhone, I also like Firefox Focus. I also have DuckDuckGo's web browser for the iPhone but really haven't tried it out. Has anyone tried it?

On the Mac, in addition to Firefox and Safari, I also like to use Vivaldi, as it works better for some sites (e.g. sfgate.com).
 


I have noticed that even if I delete each and every last cookie in Safari, the next time I run it the cookies have all reappeared.
You might file a bug report too. Last year I found that iOS "Clear History and Website Data" was consistently not clearing a particular handful of sites. I got a gratifyingly prompt response and fix. They actually viewed it as a security issue, and asked me to test it against the next dot update which came out shortly (fixed).
 



I've used a multi-browser setup...
I agree, and I use this same system — mostly Firefox, with ad blocker/and tracker denial enabled, and Privacy Badger, Safari (without most of that stuff) for a few sites which don't function in my Firefox setup (only a few). Almost never use Chrome, except when Flash is still needed (a few places).

I don't grant browsers permission to store passwords (I keep those in 1Password, and I go through the extra steps needed to enter passwords for sites that require them. Slower, but makes me feel safer.) However, my wife uses Safari for everything, so a bunch of passwords got saved in Safari for her ease of use of sites she uses often.
 


For quite a while now I've been using 1Blocker X on my iOS devices, since blocking ads both speeds up mobile browser performance and saves downloading unwanted data. iOS uses an apparently similar Safari App Extension architecture to that just introduced in Safari 13 for macOS, so it was no surprise that there's a 1Blocker version for that on the App Store. Works great, $10.
 


I declined the Safari 13 update so far, though I don't use a lot of plugins. Still, I fear that the few I do use will be neutered under the new paradigm, such as AdGuard (AdBlock Plus was effectively trashed in a previous update, and the newer plugins didn't effectively block most ads, especially on YouTube). I also use a Hosts file for system-wide blocking, but YouTube ads don't seem to be much affected by those.

Firefox also borked plugins several months ago, to the point that I downloaded an old version of WaterFox to try to keep a video downloader plugin working. Even if I turn off all the auto-updates on that, it still somehow pulls down a security update that disables those plugins. It's really irritating that "no" doesn't mean no anymore, regardless of which browser you want to use.
AdBlock Plus works without a blip in Safari 13.0.1. I bought a license for it several versions ago, and it has always worked as advertised.
 


I declined the Safari 13 update, so far, though I don't use a lot of plugins.
This morning on my laptop, I received notice of two pending updates, one for macOS Mojave 10.14.6 "Supplemental Update 2", the other for Safari 13.0.1. Choices included "Update all" or checkboxes for the individual updates (I have "Automatic Updates" disabled).

Unfortunately, after the update(s) finished installing and I rebooted my Mac, I found that Safari 13 had been installed (I am absolutely certain I did not check "update all" or click the box for Safari), and my relationship with 1Password 6 has been terminated against my will.

Arrgghhh!
 



This morning on my laptop, I received notice of two pending updates, one for macOS Mojave 10.14.6 "Supplemental Update 2", the other for Safari 13.0.1. Choices included "Update all" or checkboxes for the individual updates (I have "Automatic Updates" disabled).

Unfortunately, after the update(s) finished installing and I rebooted my Mac, I found that Safari 13 had been installed (I am absolutely certain I did not check "update all" or click the box for Safari), and my relationship with 1Password 6 has been terminated against my will.

Arrgghhh!
I got Safari 13 to install spontaneously on several machines while the auto update turned off. They show this banner which states "Automatic Updates Turned On" with 'OK' and 'Turn Off' as options. This happens all by itself and with no action from the user to turn on auto updates. Then Safari 13 will install if you don't immediately turn off the Auto Updates. The only convenient way I have been able to find to revert back to 12 is to reinstall with the latest installer downloaded to avoid installing separate supplemental and combo updates. Then you are back to Safari 12, but after 5 reinstalls, it is getting old.
 





I got Safari 13 to install spontaneously on several machines while the auto update turned off.
I happened to want that update (your milage may vary, of course!) and, in my case, I had to manually update all the machines. And I have automatic update enabled.

Apple’s update team is the gang that can’t shoot straight, it seems!

Honestly if it has to fail, my having to update manually is way better than auto-updating the machines of the folks who don’t want it. I’m sorry that happened to you folks.
 




Both links give a "Not Found" response.
They don't work for me, either, despite trying different browsers and different Internet access networks.
Yes, they've expired - they did work back at the time of release, but Apple's moved them somewhere.
Those links are still working for me... (with Firefox and presumably using my primary DNS Server 208.67.222.123 (opendns), iCab also). Just downloaded them (again). Per WhatRoute, certain DNS servers aren't doing as well as others today.
 


Ric Ford

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For Sierra and High Sierra, you can download the Safari 12.1.2 installers directly from Apple here (again, you may need to delete Safari 13 from Applications first):
Both links give a "Not Found" response.
They don't work for me, either, despite trying different browsers and different Internet access networks.
Yes, they've expired - they did work back at the time of release, but Apple's moved them somewhere.
Those links are still working for me... (with Firefox and presumably using my primary DNS Server 208.67.222.123 (opendns), iCab also). Just downloaded them (again). Per WhatRoute, certain DNS servers aren't doing as well as others today.
I just tried yet again, and one link worked while the other failed.
 




Just applied the Safari and security updates to High Sierra. Safari now has a couple of annoying changes. It no longer opens with a blank page - the choices are "All windows from last session" or "All non-private windows from last session". I can still get a blank page with the extra step of closing all windows before quitting Safari. The other impediment is that it asks if I want to allow downloads for the current web site every time I hit a download link. Apparently I can override that on a per website basis, but if I allow it once that becomes the default setting.
 


It no longer opens with a blank page - the choices are "All windows from last session" or "All non-private windows from last session".
I don't know if this is helpful, but: I'm running macOS 10.14.6 and Safari 13.0.1. In Safari Preferences > General, I have the following selections set:
  • Safari opens with A new window
  • New windows open with Empty page
  • New tabs open with Empty page
I've been using those settings for a long time... and they carried over from High Sierra without any problems when I upgraded to Mojave about a month ago.

Maybe the latest non-Mojave Safari updates are designed to "encourage" people to install Mojave. (Ugh.)
 


I don't know if this is helpful, but: I'm running macOS 10.14.6 and Safari 13.0.1. In Safari Preferences > General, I have the following selections set:
  • Safari opens with A new window
  • New windows open with Empty page
  • New tabs open with Empty page
I've been using those settings for a long time... and they carried over from High Sierra without any problems when I upgraded to Mojave about a month ago.

Maybe the latest non-Mojave Safari updates are designed to "encourage" people to install Mojave. (Ugh.)
I logged out and back in and restarted Safari, and now Safari has the Open with New Window option again. Thanks for impelling me to try again.
 


Unfortunately, after the update(s) finished installing and I rebooted my Mac, I found that Safari 13 had been installed (I am absolutely certain I did not check "update all" or click the box for Safari), and my relationship with 1Password 6 has been terminated against my will.
Arrgghhh!
That's why I never let the System/Software Update preference pane apply updates. I go to the Apple Downloads page, download and manually install the various system updaters. I use the combo updaters, since they are more complete, in case I've missed an intermediate update along the way.
 


Wouldn't FSMonitor play a role in the potential identification of said components?
If anybody is really interested in knowing what the WebKit components are, I can certainly list them here, but most, if not all are SIP-protected, so not easily replaced. Also, one of them is used by the installer, so if deleted, there is no way to run the installer. Far easier to move on and learn to live with Safari 13.
 


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