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FYI, Ghostery Lite is now out (as of 24 October) and available in the App Store) for Safari 12. It's been separated into two parts—one is an application with no user interface that appears as an extension in Safari, and a user interface portion that appears in Safari's extension and toolbar to allow you to whitelist websites or tailor what classes trackers or ads are blocked from within Safari. Whitelisting is all or nothing; there does not seem to be a granular level that I have found so far.

It seems to block trackers and ads without an additional ad-blocker. One notable loss is the indicator the extension used to tell you how many trackers, and what kinds, were being blocked on any particular site.

As a separate observation, I note several sites that detect ad-blockers and put up notices requesting you whitelist them still complain about blocking in Safari 12, even with all ad and tracker blocking disabled - I presume it's a result of Apple's design blocking cross-site links. Works for me.
 



Firefox 63.0 is crashing a lot, running High Sierra 10.13.6. I like the idea behind the new content blocking in 63, but Firefox has never crashed so often on a new release. I have Privacy Badger, AdBlock Plus, and YesScript installed, though the latter is rarely used (it is needed only on some New York Times pages, which for some reason prevent loading with my subscription account if JavaScript is enabled for that page). So maybe I am just too locked down, and maybe I can uninstall some of this. It may be that Privacy Badger is no longer necessary, but I don't know. In any case, no update to Firefox has behaved this way in the past.
I am a long-time follower of MacInTouch but a first time poster, having just registered earlier today. I love this great site that Ric and I learn a lot from, reading the posts here. I have some abilities to troubleshoot my Mac but am not an expert.

I have late 2011-era iMac running El Capitan. Yeah, I know, I should upgrade and have High Sierra saved on my iMac. Will wait for Mojave. Anyway, what is the word on upgrading to Firefox 63? I have the update pending but have not downloaded yet. Should I wait to install? I only have two extensions, uBlock Origin and NoScript.
 


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Anyway, what is the word on upgrading to Firefox 63? I have the update pending but have not downloaded yet. Should I wait to install? I only have two extensions, uBlock Origin and NoScript.
I made a good clone backup and then updated to Firefox 63. It has critical security fixes (which I didn't see listed originally).

For me, it's working fine so far, and seems faster. NoScript seems to be no problem.
 


I have late 2011-era iMac running El Capitan. Yeah, I know, I should upgrade and have High Sierra saved on my iMac. Will wait for Mojave. Anyway, what is the word on upgrading to Firefox 63? I have the update pending but have not downloaded yet. Should I wait to install? I only have two extensions, uBlock Origin and NoScript.
As an aside, Mojave may or may not run on your 2011. I have two MacBook Pros from 2011, and it won't run on them.
 


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As an aside, Mojave may or may not run on your 2011. I have two MacBook Pros from 2011, and it won't run on them.
And I have a different 2011 MacBook Pro (13"), which also is incompatible with Mojave but supports Sierra and High Sierra.
 


Same issue with Firefox 63. The extension 'Disable HTML5 Autoplay' seems to work on some sites.
Thanks, Christopher. Seems to be a solution with a minimal footprint. Tried a few sites and pages and am able to easily start the videos that I am interested in without having the others be a problem.
 


Meanwhile, Portable Chromium OS X apparently works on Mac OS X 10.5 and up....
Portable Chromium does, in fact, work on my mid-2010 Mac Pro (Mac OS X 10.6.8). It's not anywhere near being 'all that and a bag o' chips,' but it functions in the environment. My default browser, though, is Waterfox. It's essentially a Firefox variant, but it allows me to access some sites that Firefox can't, doesn't, or won't. Citrio is a fallback, and sometimes it's faster and easier to use than any of the others.
 



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I, unfortunately, found out that there is zero support in Safari, and in Firefox... well, there is supposed to be support, but I can't find any sites that actually recognize it in Firefox, even after turning on the “secret setting.” Anyone have any luck using Yubikeys? (Apparently Chrome can deal with them, but I don't want to use Chrome.)
Yubico's list of supported services includes several password managers, Google, Github, Ubuntu, and:
Yubico said:
macOS
MacBook users can easily enable and use the YubiKey’s PIV-compatible smart card functionality to protect and fortify their macOS login. The YubiKey provides hardware-backed security to prevent unauthorized access across multiple devices and platforms, including MacBooks and macOS.
 


And I have a different 2011 MacBook Pro (13"), which also is incompatible with Mojave but supports Sierra and High Sierra.
Thanks all. I had a feeling that I might have problems with Mojave on my iMac late 2011(actually mid 2011), but I should have saved install files for Sierra and High Sierra. I use both Chrome and Firefox on my iMac. I will update to Firefox 63 sometime soon.
 


I made a good clone backup and then updated to Firefox 63. It has critical security fixes (which I didn't see listed originally).
For me, it's working fine so far, and seems faster. NoScript seems to be no problem.
It's working fine on all of my computers (two Macs and one Windows 10 PC). It seems to be working fine, but on one of the computers (the Windows PC, if that matters), AdBlock Plus reset and lost all its settings, so I needed to manually repopulate its whitelist and custom filter rules (fortunately, I could just copy them from another computer, since I generally try to keep them in sync.) The other two computers had no such problem.

This is running Adblock Plus, Cisco Webex Extension, GMail Checker Simple, hccbe Google Bookmarks Extension, Navigate Up WE and User-Agent Switcher.
 


I acquired a Yubikey as part of an Ars Technica promotion. ....
I, unfortunately, found out that there is zero support in Safari, and in Firefox... well, there is supposed to be support, but I can't find any sites that actually recognize it in Firefox, even after turning on the “secret setting.” Anyone have any luck using Yubikeys? (Apparently Chrome can deal with them, but I don't want to use Chrome.)
According to a Yubico blog post, there are really two pieces to the puzzle:
Yubico said:
How to Navigate FIDO U2F in Firefox Quantum
... For example, Mozilla did not fully implement the FIDO AppID and Facet Specification. Some sites supporting FIDO U2F have made accommodations for the incompleteness of Firefox’s implementation, but some have not. In other situations, some services may not work with Firefox Quantum because of a service-specific implementation....
That period of not fully implementing the API is probably going to present as problems for an extended period of time. Sites which have "if Firefox, then can't do FIDO" (or "... elseif (Firefox and enabled) then can't do strict FIDO ...") code embedded in their interface will have be adjusted.

The kludges that some sites may have put in place may not work with full implementation (so would need to be yanked out). The default now that they fully implement (as of version 60) is still false. So, the population of browser visits that are "on' is still probably relatively extremely low (which puts a low priority on code changes).

Safari: I haven't seen much sign that Apple pays attention to any "two factor" solution other than their own homegrown one and their internal secure enclave. I suspect this is a bit of 'finger pointing' in both directions by Apple and Yubikey splitting up the work and the interfaces not 100% matched up.
 


I just posted in the "Google Issues" thread my experiences with the updates (Linux) in Chrome and Chromium 70 logging me into "the browser." Settings from the GSuite account I use on Chrome for work seemed to bleed into my personal Gmail account on Chromium. Since this thread about browsers is active, thought I'd add a link to my post here.
 


For me, it's working fine so far, and seems faster. NoScript seems to be no problem.
Same here, using Sierra 10.12.6. As a data point, along with NoScript I have Ghostery, Google Analytics Opt-Out, HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger, LastPass, and uBlock Origin installed and active. This is on a Mac Pro 2013 and an iMac Retina 5K, 27", Late 2015.
 


Same here, using Sierra 10.12.6. As a data point, along with NoScript I have Ghostery, Google Analytics Opt-Out, HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger, LastPass, and uBlock Origin installed and active. This is on a Mac Pro 2013 and an iMac Retina 5K, 27", Late 2015.
I just updated my Firefox uBlock Origin "Settings > Filter Lists" and noticed a report on the page that I've activated "222,267 network filters + 153,881 cosmetic filters", and I'm wondering what any version of Ghostery or AdBlock might bring that uBlock Origin doesn't.

I had Ghostery in its early days and opted out of its phoning home. Dropped Ghostery because it seemed an overlap with the more powerful and adaptable uBlock Origin, both extensions pulling from the same ad reference datasets.

Setup is required to get the most out of uBlock Origin, though it is useful with its default settings. I don't intentionally visit websites in Russia, China, Hungary, or Turkey (as examples) but do use the uBlock settings "against" ads from those countries (and others). As an Android user, I'm aware that ad networks are used to distribute malware and may be a source of those "your Flash is out of date"-type popups on Macs and other PCs. Blocking ads from countries high on the "hacker nation" list seems a good thing to do.

To get the most from uBlock Orign requires some setup. Here's a link to a tutorial:
 


I just updated my Firefox uBlock Origin "Settings > Filter Lists" and noticed a report on the page that I've activated "222,267 network filters + 153,881 cosmetic filters", and I'm wondering what any version of Ghostery or AdBlock might bring that uBlock Origin doesn't. I had Ghostery in its early days and opted out of its phoning home. Dropped Ghostery because it seemed an overlap with the more powerful and adaptable uBlock Origin, both extensions pulling from the same ad reference datasets. Setup is required to get the most out of uBlock Origin, though it is useful with its default settings. I don't intentionally visit websites in Russia, China, Hungary, or Turkey (as examples) but do use the uBlock settings "against" ads from those countries (and others). As an Android user, I'm aware that ad networks are used to distribute malware and may be a source of those "your Flash is out of date"-type popups on Macs and other PCs. Blocking ads from countries high on the "hacker nation" list seems a good thing to do. To get the most from uBlock Orign requires some setup. Here's a link to a tutorial:
I agree. I've gone through the "I'm an advanced user (required reading)" setup after reading the referenced tutorial.

I also agree Ghostery may not be any benefit since I've changed from AdBlock to uBlock Origin. As uBlock Origin added more and more complete filters, I've eliminated some of my other plugins, most notably Disconnect, especially since uBlock Origin now incorporates all of Disconnect's filters. I've been considering eliminating Ghostery for a while now but just hung onto it mostly from a "can't hurt (much)" perspective. Perhaps now's the time to finally delete it, especially since it has a tendency to "forget" my settings every few updates.
 


I agree. I've gone through the "I'm an advanced user (required reading)" setup after reading the referenced tutorial. I also agree Ghostery may not be any benefit since I've changed from AdBlock to uBlock Origin. As uBlock Origin added more and more complete filters, I've eliminated some of my other plugins, most notably Disconnect, especially since uBlock Origin now incorporates all of Disconnect's filters. I've been considering eliminating Ghostery for a while now but just hung onto it mostly from a "can't hurt (much)" perspective. Perhaps now's the time to finally delete it, especially since it has a tendency to "forget" my settings every few updates.
I, too, did away with Ghostery - but for perhaps a different reason. I found that it sucked up far too much in the way of system resources and made the entire browser experience sluggish. As soon as I replaced it with uBlock Origin (and replaced Sophos Home with Avast), the machine became close to what it was before I installed those softwares.

As a Handy Tip O' The Day, to make sure that all of the 'pieces 'n parts' of the softwares you do away with are well and truly deceased, consider using AppCleaner from FreeMacSoft.

It locates prefs, linked files, etc. and does a really great job getting rid of all parts of the softwares you will never use again. Worth a checkout, it is…
 


A new and curious issue with Firefox 63: I have been using the Terminal trick to restrict Dark Mode to the Menu Bar and Dock (like High Sierra behaviour). I wanted to experiment with full blown Dark Mode today and reversed my setting with:
Bash:
defaults write -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool No
After logging out and in again, I discovered that Firefox simply shows a window completely filled with black. Switching to Light Mode doesn't change it, and I can't access the Themes in Firefox to try them out. Many more tries with Firefox set to different themes before implementing the change and I still get only a completely black window in Dark Mode.

If I go back to the High Sierra-style Dark, it all works normally, whatever theme is used. I even replaced my copy of Firefox with a newly downloaded one, but it still didn't work.

Has anyone else seen this? The only mention of black pages on the web is an interaction between Firefox and some Windows video drivers, which surely doesn't apply here.
 


I may be one of the few people who actually likes Safari. I generally find it to be fast and am able to customize it to suit my needs. That is, until Safari 12 came along

Corporate IT departments being what they are, I was forced into the Safari 12 upgrade on my work machine, and, of course, all my extensions were removed, one of which was Ghostery. I was able to find the workaround to be able to install my old extensions using Safari's Extension Builder. It works well enough, but the biggest problem with that is, if you have to quit Safari for any reason, you have to re-activate those extensions, and none of the preferences from the previous session are preserved. This presents a problem with apps such as Ghostery or AdBlock in which you can create white lists. All gone!

So, I decide to install Ghostery Lite and the new AdBlock from the App Store. Except our corporate IT department in their infinite wisdom has disabled all traffic to and from the App Store. I can't legitimately install Safari extensions now, and the developers don't offer them outside the App Store. My next favorite browser for its Safari-like interface is Opera, and it's a sluggard by comparison.

Any ideas?
 


Thanks all. I had a feeling that I might have problems with Mojave on my iMac late 2011(actually mid 2011), but I should have saved install files for Sierra and High Sierra. I use both Chrome and Firefox on my iMac. I will update to Firefox 63 sometime soon.
A quick follow-up: I updated to Firefox 63.0 on 10/29. So far, no problems.
 



I have an unusual problem using Gmail in Safari - but not on other browsers. I find that using the default "Sans Serif" font results in a bold font in the body of the email only. This affects anything I'm writing or any email I've received using this font. When I'm creating the message, the recipient sees the correct non-bold font. Choosing italic results in a thin, non-bold italic, and choosing bold results in the same appearance on my screen, although the recipient will then see bold text.

This started sometime before I upgraded to Mojave, so it doesn't seem OS-specific. Also, I don't experience this if I go to Gmail on a different user account on my Mac. I've tried deleting the entire ~/Library/Safari folder, with no results. I've logged in holding down the shift key, and I've tried deleting all Google cookies.

It seems that there must be somewhere that the Google fonts are stored in my user account and there's something wrong with the regular font, but I can't seem to find where that is. They don't seem to be in Font Book. As of now, the only way I know of to get rid of the problem would be to create an entirely new user account, but the work involved in that would be daunting.

I'd appreciate hearing from anybody who has an idea about how to fix this. Thanks.
 


I have an unusual problem using Gmail in Safari - but not on other browsers. I find that using the default "Sans Serif" font results in a bold font in the body of the email only. This affects anything I'm writing or any email I've received using this font. When I'm creating the message, the recipient sees the correct non-bold font. Choosing italic results in a thin, non-bold italic, and choosing bold results in the same appearance on my screen, although the recipient will then see bold text....
OK, so I discovered the cause of the problem. It was interesting.

Google uses Arial as its standard Sans Serif font on Macs. I had used Font Book to repair all my fonts, but actually, it didn't do so. There were a number of duplicate, possibly corrupt fonts dating back to 2010 that were still hanging around. The only fonts I need are the standard fonts plus any that are installed by MS Office, so I made my user account an admin account and then had Font Book restore the original system fonts. Then I restarted, and now Gmail messages work fine.

The real issue was that Font Book wasn't removing corrupt fonts when it said it would, and needed to start fresh with a standard installation. Sometimes fonts are just too old to work. My Mac Mini is late 2012, but otherwise works perfectly, so I'm really glad to have Gmail working again.
 


I have an issue that has been bugging me since I first installed the first Beta version of Mojave. With every beta update and now including public releases, I had hoped that it would be fixed. I have spent hours trying to troubleshoot without success.So I hope the wonderful minds that visit MacInTouch each day can assist me.

I visit and thoroughly read approximately 30 web sites each day using the current version of Safari. I am based in Australia and have no issue with Safari rendering all images in USA-based web sites. However, when I log into mainly newspaper sites - e.g. https://www.couriermail.com.au - that use the .au domain, I regularly see empty white spaces where images should be shown.

I have started a new user on my 2015 i7 iMac and the issue does not appear.

It also doesn’t appear in my original user account, if I use Google Chrome.

Obviously something in my user folder is clashing with Safari

Can anyone suggest where I should start looking?

Latest Safari Technology Preview doesn't load all images either.

Safari loads all images if I boot in Safe mode.
 


Safari 12.0.1, macOS 10.13.6

Passwords in Safari Preferences sometimes disappear. Immediately after a restart they are present. Something I do later on results in an empty pane under Passwords - "No Saved Passwords" appears in the pane.

I have tried looking immediately after many different operations but have not managed to find when the change occurs or what causes it. Even when they are missing, if I have checked the "AutoFill..." box, they are filled in when required on a given Web site; I just can't see them in the pane.

I can always recover with a restart. I don't do anything especially technical during most sessions, just looking at Web sites, viewing videos, etc.

Ideas?
 


I have an issue that has been bugging me since I first installed the first Beta version of Mojave. With every beta update and now including public releases, I had hoped that it would be fixed. I have spent hours trying to troubleshoot without success.So I hope the wonderful minds that visit MacInTouch each day can assist me.

I visit and thoroughly read approximately 30 web sites each day using the current version of Safari. I am based in Australia and have no issue with Safari rendering all images in USA-based web sites. However, when I log into mainly newspaper sites - e.g. https://www.couriermail.com.au - that use the .au domain, I regularly see empty white spaces where images should be shown.

I have started a new user on my 2015 i7 iMac and the issue does not appear.

It also doesn’t appear in my original user account, if I use Google Chrome.

Obviously something in my user folder is clashing with Safari

Can anyone suggest where I should start looking?

Latest Safari Technology Preview doesn't load all images either.

Safari loads all images if I boot in Safe mode.
For those who read my previous post, I have solved the issue by uninstalling "Little Snitch". I had checked all my "rules", and they looked fine, however something in the app was conflicting with Safari.
 


Does anybody know how to prevent a popup window from hiding the toolbar in Safari? This is very annoying for a site I need to use at work.

If I disable JavaScript, I can't open the window. I have rooted around through the Develop and Debug menus to no avail. The only way I can navigate (other than the available links) is to use the swipe gestures for back/forward on my MacBook Pro touchpad or with a Magic Mouse.
 



Does anybody know how to prevent a popup window from hiding the toolbar in Safari?
I've had success in the past manually stopping popups by blocking them at the router level, or by adding them to a plug-in based blacklist, or by customizing Flash and JavaScript blockers. The key is finding a sufficiently granular URL or domain to block.

Of course, these methods won't work if a site uses a generic script to serve popups under its own domain name. But a lot of sites rely on ad networks to serve popups or store them all in a specific directory (like foo.com/content/popups), so it can be worth spending a little time digging around the offending page's source code.
 


I've had success in the past manually stopping popups by blocking them at the router level, or by adding them to a plug-in based blacklist, or by customizing Flash and JavaScript blockers. The key is finding a sufficiently granular URL or domain to block.

Of course, these methods won't work if a site uses a generic script to serve popups under its own domain name. But a lot of sites rely on ad networks to serve popups or store them all in a specific directory (like foo.com/content/popups), so it can be worth spending a little time digging around the offending page's source code.
Unfortunately, I need to access the popup window, not block it, but I would like a normal Safari window with the toolbar. I have found no way to accomplish this with Safari preferences or various blockers. I have seen this before but I don't understand the goal of preventing access to something as fundamental as a back button. It is also annoying that I can't control my browsing experience. Anyway, it looks like I will have to live with it.
 


Unfortunately, I need to access the popup window, not block it, but I would like a normal Safari window with the toolbar. I have found no way to accomplish this with Safari preferences or various blockers. I have seen this before but I don't understand the goal of preventing access to something as fundamental as a back button. It is also annoying that I can't control my browsing experience. Anyway, it looks like I will have to live with it.
There are always the keyboard shortcuts, Command-[ for back and Command-] for forward.
 


I need a recommendation for an ad blocker. I currently am using AdBlock (the new version, which is an app), and it is not blocking most ads but it is blocking links in newsletters and some Google search results. For both types of links I need to copy the link and open in Chrome.
 


I made the mistake of installing Firefox 65 today, and discovered that it forces you to keep the tabs all the way at the top. Apparently people running the betas knew that this change to the position of tabs was coming, but I did not. I've been using the userChrome.css trick to restore tabs to the bottom, just below the address/tool bar, but this no longer works. I really, really hate having the tabs at the very top. There have apparently been a lot of complaints to the developers about this, and the complaints have been ignored.

Anyone who is fussy about their Firefox setup may want to avoid this update for now.

I don't like any of the browser alternatives that I have looked at, unfortunately.
 



I made the mistake of installing Firefox 65 today, and discovered that it forces you to keep the tabs all the way at the top.
Don't have Firefox 65 yet, and the way I use browser windows favors menus, controls and tabs at the top. Still, I was curious what 65 will bring, as I haven't installed it yet, and in my shallow dive into the topic found that the userChrome.css "trick" you referenced may be back as outside developers make responsive changes. Firefox developers are themselves said to be planning to facilitate more user customizations within Firefox GUI options.

Since I'm not familiar with what the code is doing, I have no idea if the link below is the same "trick" you tried, or if it actually purports to put Tabs at the bottom as the link suggests, but it it refers specifically to Firefox 65.
MrOtherGuy said:
 




I made the mistake of installing Firefox 65 today, and discovered that it forces you to keep the tabs all the way at the top.
I don't like any of the browser alternatives that I have looked at, unfortunately.
I updated to Firefox 65 without blinking, and frankly I never noticed that the tab bar had jumped up above the main menu bar. It's a non-issue for me. I used this "feature" without thinking about it and would not have even noticed it, had it not been pointed out here.

But now that you mention it, I wish there were an extension or something that allowed me to keep a copy of the open tab bar down at the bottom of the browser window, above the Dock of my Mac. Would it be that difficult to have a tab row on top and bottom?
 


I made the mistake of installing Firefox 65 today, and discovered that it forces you to keep the tabs all the way at the top.
I used the solution suggested on the Mozilla support forum. It moves the tabs to the bottom, but I'm not really happy with the location of the red, yellow, and green buttons. It would be nice if they were in the tab, but that would probably violate some UI standard.

I use Firefox both at home and at work; it would be nice if the developers would provide an easier way to control the tab locations other than editing the userChrome.css file.
 


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